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Trump 2024. Why or why not.

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
It's sad you simply can't recognize a joke when you see one.

And that proof?

Well this is what the Democrat Party happily accepts into their ranks without nary a complaint about it.....

Ohhh so you're joking around every time you say that Democrats are "leftest Marx's communist brigade" and "hive mind Marxist communist lap dogs."
Great, so no reason to take you seriously then.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Gee, Trump was apparently appointed by God according to so many evangelicals:

  • Donald Trump shared a video declaring that God made him to lead the country.
  • The fan-made video frames Trump as a messianic figure and a workaholic.
  • Polls show many evangelical Christians believe God anointed him to rule.
Former President Donald Trump shared a bizarre fan-made video on Truth Social, which declared that he was divinely chosen to lead the country.

"And on June 14, 1946, God looked down on his planned paradise and said, 'I need a caretaker.' So God gave us Trump," the video starts.

The narrator goes on to frame Trump as a messianic figure who was created by God to "fight the Marxists" and "call out the fake news for their tongues as sharp as a serpent's."...
-- MSN
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

Unless he was impeached and removed. Meaning, if your party controls the House and Senate, a president can get away with any heinous crime and get away with it.
That also applies to Democrats as well.

They would absolutely love to have full control the House and the Senate just as much as Republicans would and then they can rule with impunity.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
And another....
I saw that this am. He claimed Biden is riding on the previous administrations (his) actions.

Sure, 9 trillion dollar debt and interest payments that will exceed military spending

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When Federal Interest Payments Come To Exceed the Military Budget: Time to Stop Defending the Rest of the World"""​


 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I wonder why a supposed billionaire has to grovel for money is such a way. ;)
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
He made tens of millions of dollars from his golf courses. He made tens of millions of dollars on licensing deals with countries with authoritarian-style leaders, such as India, Turkey and the Philippines.
As I've pointed out, Trump lost money as opposed to gaining money.

The intersections between Trump Inc. and President Trump are everywhere: A Chinese state-owned company was awarded a multimillion dollar contract to help develop a Trump golf course in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, amid a U.S.-China trade war.
What "trade-war" exactly are you talking about and how is it at all relevant to this?

T-Mobile executives stayed at Trump’s Washington hotel while seeking a green light from the federal government for a merger.
So what? Did their staying at the hotel actually affect the merger they wanted? Is there any substance to the argument?

The IRS commissioner, who refused to release Trump’s tax returns to Congress, collects rent from a pair of Trump condos in Hawaii.
The commissioner shouldn't release Trump's tax returns regardless. The commisioner is not a foreign agent. Are you suggesting that Trump should not pay rent on his condos? What a nothing-burger.

And in recent weeks, even Trump’s staunchest allies bluntly acknowledged that the president had left his own properties vulnerable to attacks by Iran after his order to kill the country’s top general.
Obviously the general was a threat to American lives in terms of the ongoing attacks he planned and was engaged in planning against Americans and didn't appear to have had any plans to attack Trump's properties. In fact, by attacking the general, Trump actually placed his properties at risk of retaliation! This actually suggests that Trump wasn't beholden to foreign powers on the basis of his international properties. Are you trying to rebutt your own claim?

... Even after Congress launched an investigation into his businesses, the Trump administration authorized foreign governments to rent condos in Trump World Tower in New York, according to previously unreported documents obtained through a public records lawsuit by American Oversight, a watchdog group engaging with Congress on oversight of the administration."
I'd like to see you complete your argument concerning this. I acknowledge that you are at least off to a start here. Foreign powers leasing a property. Sure it cleared the federal bureaucracy, which suggests nothing was actually amiss here, but the suggestion that he needed additional approval from Congress could be relevant. What else can you say? Can you link this to something Trump used the office of President for?

"While president, Trump has continued to own his business, and through his hotels, clubs, and golf courses he’s accepted millions of dollars in payment from foreign entities. Indeed, Trump made more than $200 million in income from his foreign business interests since 2016, according to the Center for Responsive Politics."
There nothing here indicating the businesses weren't operated normally. This attempt to smear him is weak.

Have you never wondered why he wouldn't release his tax returns?
No, I haven't, because the requests for him to release his tax returns were so evidently politically motivated and because he gave clear reasons why he didn't release them: the advice of lawyers and the ongoing audit. Did you imagine all sorts of horrible things were hiding in his tax returns? Maybe you think Obama was born in Kenya.

Just because he's a terrible businessman who runs almost every business into the ground, doesn't mean he hasn't taken money from, and isn't beholden to foreign powers, as the evidence indicates.
Financial losses are a motivation not to incur more losses by serving another term in the White House.

He has never divested himself from his business interests, as most every President has always done. Why do you think that is?
Unlike all the other Presidents, Trump didn't come into the Presidency to make money. The wonderful thing about all those other Presidents is that they all made millions from their Presidencies.

So your point is that despite receiving tens of millions of dollars from foreign investors, because he's a terrible business man and lost it all, that he's not beholden to the foreign powers who have thrown all this money at him? Is that what you're trying to say?
Do you have a rebuttal to the point that Trump lost money instead of making money? No, you don't.

The "other guy" is Joe Biden. There is currently zero evidence that Biden is beholden to any foreign powers. The Republicans sure haven't presented any.
Hypothetically, if a person in office received money from an oil company and in exchange weilded the power of his office to have a man removed who was responsible for investigating that oil company, that would be the sort of corruption I'm talking about. If you are wondering about Joe Biden, there is a thread for that. As for Trump, I'd like to know what you allege Trump did in return for alleged payments.

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I'll repeat it because you might be ignoring it again: Trump lost $700 million in net worth during his term as President. If you really believe that Trump is eager to regain the Presidency because of all the supposed money he is going to make from foreign powers during another term in office, then I think you're delusional. And if you believe that all these other Presidents that have made millions of dollars, in many cases the practical entirety of their fortunes, from their terms in office as President are somehow the clean ones... then maybe you aren't evaluating these things as rationally as you think you are.
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
The border crossing stats tell a different story.

Trump isn't the person to vote for if you want fewer people irregular border crossers getting into the country, but he is the person to vote for if you want the ones who get caught to be treated cruelly.
FYI: the number of border crossings since Biden was inaugurated is over 10 million. And the number of border crossings under Biden is more than 3 times what it was under Trump.

As for treatment of the migrants, you may be unaware of the human trafficking, and abuse of migrant children under the Biden adminstration compared to under the Trump administration.
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And we haven't even gotten into the questions of drug trafficking, the power of criminal Cartels, the consequent destabilization of foreign governments, U.S. national security vulnerability, and the stress of migration on state and local systems.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
the requests for him to release his tax returns were so evidently politically motivated and because he gave clear reasons why he didn't release them: the advice of lawyers and the ongoing audit.

He kept promising to release them, plus audits do not prevent the IRS from releasing the years not under audit.
 
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