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Trump 2024. Why or why not.
- Thread starter David1967
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In a nation of over 300 million people, I'm sure there's much better out there. But I can see where the nature of politics in the prevailing culture can thwart and put off many would be candidates. It's kind of like show business, in a way. Not everyone is really cut out for that or really wants that kind of life, even if they might be smart enough or talented enough to do the job much better than the current crop of leaders.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm not terrible fond of either, but I do think we must do our best to guarantee Trump doesn't get in or our democracy is likely to end, and I am not using hyperbole.
I don't understand comments like these. What part of Biden is inadequate? His compassion and cheerful good nature? His knowledge and experience? His phenomenal accomplishments during his first two years before Amerca reinstated the Republicans as the House majority? His returning gravitas to the job? America's return to respect on the world stage?
Newsom and Buttigieg are two rising stars that would also make great presidents, and are much younger, but I doubt that they would do better than Joe. How could they?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
He's more conservative than I prefer. Back in 2020, I "felt the Bern", although I had strong doubts he'd win in the general election. But as compared to the others, Biden is head & shoulder over them.
I very much like Buttigieg!
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
I was for Buttigieg in the last run, but I was sure he didn't have the experience necessary to make it. I'm glad Biden got him in Washington to get some experience and build a DC network.
Now, as to the Trumpet ... I'm soooo tired of him blowing his own horn and he's getting more and more outrageous and bold. This one "should" upset his base, but they'll make excuses for him as always, I'm sure.
Now, as to the Trumpet ... I'm soooo tired of him blowing his own horn and he's getting more and more outrageous and bold. This one "should" upset his base, but they'll make excuses for him as always, I'm sure.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, at least this time he didn't hold the Bible upside down.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Of course not. At $60.00 bucks a pop he's going to assure he presents his product in it's best advertising light.
Well everybody knows the Bible has the American flag on the bottom. Right?
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
I have a cousin who watches these things much more closely than I, and he has no affiliations to bias.
(from Dec 29)
2023 ends with the Dow Jones Industrial Average near its all-time high, which was set yesterday. The S&P 500 is also near its all-time high, having risen 24% for the year. The NASDAQ Composite went up more than 43% this year.
The unemployment rate is near its all-time low at 3.7%. Two million new jobs were created in 2023.
The annual inflation rate has dropped to 3.2%, which is nearly the best in the industrialized world.
Wholesale gasoline is $2.11/gallon, meaning it should drop to $2.60/gallon at the pump early this spring. The U.S. is producing more oil right now than it ever has. Seriously.
If you watch the news on a regular basis, you'd think that we're near total economic collapse. The truth is, things are actually pretty good, and seem to be getting better.
Think about where we've been over the past three years. In 2020, we couldn't find toilet paper in stores. Now, there's plenty of toilet paper available to clean up what the news media are dishing out.
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(from Mar 1)
From 2015 to 2020, an average of five U.S. banks failed per year. In Trump's first year as President, 2017, eight U.S. banks failed.
In 2021 and 2022, no U.S. banks failed. But in 2023, four banks went under. All of them were in early 2023. The media called it "The Banking Crisis of 2023". In fact, there's a Wikipedia article with that exact title. There have been no bank failures since the Spring of 2023.
Don't let the media fool you. Our economy is historically good. All major stock market indices are at record highs today. These are the good old days.
(from Dec 29)
2023 ends with the Dow Jones Industrial Average near its all-time high, which was set yesterday. The S&P 500 is also near its all-time high, having risen 24% for the year. The NASDAQ Composite went up more than 43% this year.
The unemployment rate is near its all-time low at 3.7%. Two million new jobs were created in 2023.
The annual inflation rate has dropped to 3.2%, which is nearly the best in the industrialized world.
Wholesale gasoline is $2.11/gallon, meaning it should drop to $2.60/gallon at the pump early this spring. The U.S. is producing more oil right now than it ever has. Seriously.
If you watch the news on a regular basis, you'd think that we're near total economic collapse. The truth is, things are actually pretty good, and seem to be getting better.
Think about where we've been over the past three years. In 2020, we couldn't find toilet paper in stores. Now, there's plenty of toilet paper available to clean up what the news media are dishing out.
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(from Mar 1)
From 2015 to 2020, an average of five U.S. banks failed per year. In Trump's first year as President, 2017, eight U.S. banks failed.
In 2021 and 2022, no U.S. banks failed. But in 2023, four banks went under. All of them were in early 2023. The media called it "The Banking Crisis of 2023". In fact, there's a Wikipedia article with that exact title. There have been no bank failures since the Spring of 2023.
Don't let the media fool you. Our economy is historically good. All major stock market indices are at record highs today. These are the good old days.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's a sad state of affairs and one that proves the country itself isn't where the best interests lay with these people.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You forgot the guns inside the Bibles being sold to indigenous nations.
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
Or not. Define "they" and say what "they" did that, in your opinion, constitutes "insurrection".
Keep in mind that no one from Jan 6th was charged with 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or Insurrection. No one. People have been in the capital building before (to protest or riot) and obstructed a congressional proceeding and those actions, then as now, were insufficient to constitute insurrection. It is not an "uprising" to petition your government for a redress of grievances even if Congress is forced to temporarily halt its proceedings. And you need to show more than a tiny fraction of the people present being rowdy and causing injury.
Take, for example, the so-called "Qanon Shaman". You can disagree with what he said and what he did, and even say he deserved to spend some time in jail, but you can't call him an insurrectionist without revealing that you've fallen for propaganda.
And even supposing you somehow find one person who really was only present because he wanted to burn the whole thing down, you can't possibly seriously use that as your evidence against the other 100,000 people who showed up at the capitol in protest. You're on a Fool's Errand if you're trying to paint the 100,000 protesters on Jan 6th as insurrectionists.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
You do understand that sedition which several were convicted of is insurrection by more than one cooperating person such that the claim of no insurrection is specious at best?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
You are not kidding.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Two old white guys. Time for a change. Biden never did "deserve" the Presidency and I can't stand Trump so there's all that.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Well, you're right about that. I don't think, for instance, that many first ladies feel the love of their jobs.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I know I am "throwing away my vote" but I'm probably going to write someone in if it comes down to either/or of these old, white guys.
So your criticism of Biden is that he's old and white, and that's what makes him inadequate?
What does that mean? He ran for the office and was elected. You don't seem to have any relevant, specific complaint about Biden beyond old and white.
Just to repeat myself about why not Trump....
Because he's a ******* idiotic vengeful traitor.
(Biden isn't much better.)
Because he's a ******* idiotic vengeful traitor.
(Biden isn't much better.)