Koberstein
*Banned*
I have a masters degree in mechanical engineering and a Bachelors in economics.
I suggest you get through reform school and hen I will teach you numbers and colors
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Trump 2024. Why or why not.
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I suggest you get through reform school and hen I will teach you numbers and colors
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
I am a well informed liberal. You MAGAs are in no position to judge anyone's poor judgment given you support a criminal for president. There's no confusion about rejecting Trump as an option.
That was before th global pandemic, which Trump poorly managed and led to him being fired by the American people. Inflation post pandemic is a global issue, not just the USAS. Trump could not have done any more than Biden has. The difference is that Biden has appointed competent public servants to run our agencies. The result is the best economy in the world, and you MAGAs won;t even acknowledge it. Head in the sand, and we laugh at you for being this poorly informed.
False. If you want to discuss the deatials of Biden's economic policies after the pandemic we can do that with facts. But one fact is that inflation is global, not just the USA, so that little issue is a losing one for you. Let's note that Biden has help slow infflation with certain FED and legislative actions. You guys never mention that as if we liberals can be fooled with your disinformation that you guys were gullible enough to buy.
That's funny, we have the highest oil production in US hinstory under Biden. If Trump wants to drill more it won't show results for many years, as drilling takes time. So this is a dumb claim by Trump and MAGAs too poorly informed to understand. And I'll not mention the effects of gobal warming due to burning fossil fuels. You MAGAs know it's a problem, you just don't care. MAGAs seem to have become learned sociopaths, and an indiffernce to the suffering of others.
My trust fund has doubled under Biden. Trump really didn't do much in his four years. The one good thing about the slow economic recovery during the Obama years was that it did not overheat the economy, and there has been a slow and stead increase in many of the economic factors, with the pandemic being the exception. But both republicans and democrats agreed to help citizens rebound post pandemic, and things reset after Trump was fired very well. One negative effect was the global inflation rates, with a lot of it being corporations taking advantage of the economic recovery.
Then it's good Trump was fired, because the economy would not have rebounded like it did under Biden. And let's note the both republicans and democrats supported the stimulus checks.
That's ll be me next year. I'm getting my affairs in order because if Trump is re-elected he will mismanage the gobvernment to such a degree that a recession could happen. His tarrif plan is terrible and a giveaway to the wealthy. It will harm the average citizen with increased costs on everything imported. It's unlikely he can eliminate the income tax, but that he suggested it illustrates how totally stupid this guy is. He couldn't even come up with a better healthcare solution. He gave up on that after his failure in 2017.
Another stupid idea from Trump which if you stops aid it will likley create global instability and perhaps ever expanded war by Russia. Do you know what the economy hates? Instability. Trump is nothing but an unstable man who will crete global instability.
Only because of the pandemic. It was against the law otherwise, and this is something you MAGAs never admit. You make stupid claims as if the government can just close the border at any time. It doesn;t work that way as the border remained open under Trump until the pandemic. Of course we remember the human rights violations by the Trump administration as they held migrants in cages, cells, open fenced areas, and all without adequate sanitation. They also kidnapped over a 1000 children from families and trafficked them. There are about 550 children still missing.
Just like the Nazis. Look how that worked out. Given the lack of decency and humanity in your ideas it appears to me you suffer from toxic political rhetoric that brings out the worst in some Americans.
Anything that shows some degree of humanity.
Terrorists against decency and democracy. Thanks for informing the forum about the threat that MAGAs pose to the future.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
How about dishonesty, groping, cheating on the wife, hedonism, materialism, being "a dictator on day 1", etc. So, basic Judeo-Christian and humanistic morals don't matter?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Not an argument for anything.
How about after COVID hit?
The US inflation rate is currently 3.27%.
How does that lower inflation?
Except for those stimulus cheques Trump had to personally sign and send to everybody during the pandemic. He had his name printed all over them, which slowed their delivery to the American people.
And you think Trump has what, to do with that?
Of course you were.
Illegally. And had to be re-opened.
This made me throw up in my mouth.
Those are human beings you're talking about. You don't want your nation's "blood to be poisoned?" and they're "animals?" Like, for real, that's something straight out of Mein Kompf. Is that what MAGA is all about? Ick.
Laniakea
Not of this world
And what do you think that problem is?
Laniakea
Not of this world
A good caption for that picture: "This wouldn't have happened if we had just banned guns!"
Laniakea
Not of this world
Gang members like to do mass killings.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Guns are expensive, loud, and not as easy to conceal.
Knives are super-cheap, silent, smaller.
Which one do you think is easier for a criminal to get their hands on, and use to kill people without being noticed?
Even criminals who want to use a gun will go with a .22 since it's the cheapest, and quietest.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Can't you stand it when someone votes for someone you don't like?
And yes, I'm going to vote for Trump as well.
Let the name-calling begin!
Laniakea
Not of this world
Sounds good to me!
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Those things sound good to you. Really?Sounds good to me!
They've gone from "Lock her up" to fully and proudly supporting a convicted felon and sexual abuser.
Apparently MAGA is morally bankrupt. And proud of it.
Just ... wow.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yep, and so many of them claim "I'm born again!", yet Trump spouts and lives out his life of bigotry and dishonesty. As Steven Hawking said not long before his death, Trump "is a demagogue who appeals to the lowest common denominator".
Pogo
Well-Known Member
That's because Born Again seems mostly to mean they believe all their sins are gone and they can't go to Hell so they're safe whatever they do.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Gandhi felt the same way about so many of them, btw. He said [paraphrased] "They elevated the man and forgot his message". Hard to agree with him or you.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
not?Gandhi felt the same way about so many of them, btw. He said [paraphrased] "They elevated the man and forgot his message". Hard to agree with him or you.
Trump v Biden Economies, Some Comparisons
- Inflation: Prices have risen 19.3% since Biden took office, almost four times faster than the 5% increase three years and five months into Trump’s term. Yet inflation has been wrestled down to 3.3% today.
- Hiring: Three years and five months into Biden’s term, the U.S. economy has created 15.6 million jobs. That compares with job losses totaling 12.6 million for Trump.
- National debt: Biden has so far added $4.3 trillion to the national debt, while Trump approved twice as much during his full term in office ($8.4 trillion).
- Growth: Since Biden took office, the U.S. economy has grown 8.4% when adjusted for inflation, versus a 6.5% growth rate for the same time period under Trump, though the economy was growing at a similar speed to Biden’s before the pandemic.
- Stocks: Overall, the S&P 500 stock index has risen 42.1% since Biden took office, compared with a 33.6% increase over the same time period for Trump, but stocks rose at a faster pace under the second and third year in Trump’s term than they did in Biden’s.
- Consumer sentiment: Confidence in the economy and Americans’ overall personal financial situations has been slumping under Biden, as inflation stays stubborn and consumers’ paychecks lose ground to price increases.
- Unemployment: Unemployment has fallen 2.4 percentage points under Biden’s term so far, while rising 8.5 percentage points during the same period of Trump’s term. Even ignoring the effects of the pandemic, unemployment has been lower under Biden, thanks to the roaring economic comeback of 2022-2023.
- Wages: Wages have grown faster under Biden but have lost more ground to inflation than under Trump.
But both Presidents contributed, almost the same amounts! Trump, for example, approved the $1.9 trillion Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security (CARES) Act, which sent households stimulus checks and scaled up jobless benefits for the unemployed. Once Biden took office, on the other hand, the chief executive ushered in the $2.1 trillion American Rescue Plan, sending a third stimulus check and expanding a tax credit for parents.
Much of the increase in prices stems from the coronavirus pandemic — including who was in the White House during the economy’s plunge (Trump) and red-hot bounce back (Biden). States enacted stay-at-home orders and shuttered nonessential businesses, sacrificing economic activity to curb the spread of the virus.
What did Trump do with respect to infrastructure, compared to Biden's bipartisan infrastructure bill and CHIPS Act? Biden has been working "kitchen-table" economic items, like reducing the cost of prescription drugs, and trying to relieve crushing education debt.
What's coming? Trump is promising lots and lots of lovely tariffs (try to research the horrible damage the Smoots-Hawley Act of 1930 did to the economy), which raise prices, and perhaps lowering taxes. But guess what, that will really hurt the poor, because they're not paying significant taxes (no benefit from lowering them) but everything they buy will cost more. And "drill-baby-drill!" Sounds nice, but kiss your climate goodbye. Look at the damage being caused by climate change around the world -- it's worse than it's ever been, and Trump is totally uninterested in ensuring that your children and your children's children will have air to breathe and a planet to inhabit.
Laniakea
Not of this world
There is no concept of fellow American with MAGA or the present Republican party. They hate just about every kind of American that isn't a conservative, white Chrisitan, which is most of America. And they have no respect for the Constitution, democracy, egalitarianism, the rule of law, or church-state separation - just like Putin, who actually might support church-state separation.
Obviously, morality doesn't matter to Trump supporters, or else they prefer immorality.
When one generalizes about a collective, it doesn't mean that each individual fits the profile, but rather, that the collective functions in a particular way. For example, it's appropriate to say the Americans like hamburgers even though many are vegetarians. The American right functions as an ammosexual collective even if not every self-identifying conservative agrees with the majority.
But their behavior stains the entire right. Here you find yourself having to defend yourself for being a conservative American who isn't an anti-American, morally bankrupt (right) wingnut.
One could criminalize private gun ownership and it would be consistent with that Amendment. It authorizes communities to have well-regulated militias. Militias generally keep their arms in armories.
None of those things will benefit you. Assuming that you're not in the 1%, you will continue to be taxed at roughly your current rate, which is at a higher rate than the ones who will receive the tax cuts. And your life will become more regulated under Republicans.
What they want deregulated is the businesses that exploit workers and despoil the land. You will lose more rights. Trumps economic "vision" is inflationary.
Trump is economically incompetent. His fortune was inherited and now has been squandered. He's only skilled in grifting. He has declared bankruptcy several times including with two casinos. How corrupt or incompetent at business does one need to be to lose money with a casino? We know they were making money at the tables, yet the businesses tanked under Trump.
From Wiki:
"The six bankruptcies were the result of over-leveraged hotel and casino businesses in Atlantic City and New York: Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino (1992), Plaza Hotel (1992), Trump Castle Hotel and Casino (1992), Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009)."
"His external entrepreneurial and investment ventures include Trump Financial (a mortgage firm), Trump Sales and Leasing (residential sales), Trump International Realty (a residential and commercial real estate brokerage firm), The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative (a for profit business education company, formerly called the Trump University), Trump Restaurants (located in Trump Tower and consisting of Trump Buffet, Trump Catering, Trump Ice Cream Parlor, and Trump Bar), GoTrump (an online travel search engine[165][166][167]), Select By Trump (a line of coffee drinks),[168] Trump Drinks (an energy drink for the Israeli and Palestinian markets)[169][170][171][172] Donald J. Trump Signature Collection (a line of menswear, men's accessories, and watches), Donald Trump The Fragrance (2004), SUCCESS by Donald Trump (a second fragrance launched by The Trump Organization and the Five Star Fragrance Company released in March 2012), Trump Ice bottled water, the former Trump Magazine,[173] Trump Golf, Trump Chocolate, Trump Home (home furnishings),[174] Trump Productions (a television production company), Trump Institute, Trump: The Game (1989 board game with a 2004 re-release version tied to The Apprentice),[166] Donald Trump's Real Estate Tycoon (a business simulation video game), Trump Books, Trump Model Management, Trump Shuttle, Trump Mortgage, Trump Network (a multi-level vitamin, cosmetic, and urinalysis marketing company),[175][176] Trump Vodka,[174][177][178] Trump Steakhouse[165][179] and Trump Steaks.[166] In addition, Trump reportedly received $1.5 million for each one-hour presentation he did for The Learning Annex.[180] Trump also endorsed ACN Inc., a multi-level marketing telecommunications company. He has spoken at ACN International Training Events at which he praised the company's founders, business model and video phone.[181] He earned a total $1.35 million for three speeches given for the company, amounting to $450,000 per speech.[182]"
Take a look at the links to those businesses to see how many didn't belly up. Now he's hawking tennis shoes and Bibles. He's going broke with huge civil judgments and attorney fees. His assets will be seized and liquidated. And this guy has an MBA from Wharton. How embarrassing for Wharton.
The MyPillow guy runs laps around Trump. He made a fortune selling those pillows, although that's all gone now as well thanks to his becoming a Trump minion. Trump doesn't just bankrupt himself or incriminate himself. Pretty much anybody who got close to Trump is now broke, a defendant, or both. Navarro is in jail now. Bannon is broke and headed to jail after being pardoned by Trump once. Flynn was convicted and pardoned, as was Manafort.
Many of his attorneys have been indicted or copped pleas, some of which have been sanctioned or disbarred (Powell, Ellis, Eastman, Chesebro, Bobb, Wood, Troupis, Cohen, Habba). Rudy has suffered the worst. He'll end up broke and in prison with his assets seized like Trump if he lives. One newer understanding of MAGA is "making attorneys get attorneys."
Do you really need to be told how you are perceived after telling the world that you prefer a twice impeached, four-time indicted convicted felon, career criminal, pathological liar, serial adulterer, sexual predator, wannabe dictator, and insurrectionist who is now becoming visibly more demented each week over a decent man and successful president? What else do I need to know about a person to say that I would never trust him or his judgment?
We had a new player in our bridge club Tuesday wearing a 2020 MAGA hat who was overheard to say that he considers Obama and Biden two of the most corrupt people in the world. What else do I need to know about him or his intelligence or moral judgment? It's a litmus test.
Here's something - a roughly 4-minute YouTube -about those MAGA hats you might find amusing. This character is a consummate misanthrope who has no respect for Trump but who has learned how to use such hats to his advantage:
The liberals are having a field day. Wouldn't you if you were liberal?
And I'll bet a few are experiencing a little schadenfreude now. When Trump was announced victor in 2016, a few memes became popular with conservatives such as "**** your feelings," "Trump dementia syndrome," and "the taste of liberal tears."
The tables have turned now, but you'll find the left to be a bit more subtle. You'll have to guess what they're thinking, but it shouldn't be difficult.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Aaaand right there is the problem.
I don't want to share space on this planet with people who live just to make other people miserable That's not what decent human beings do or want. Especially when it involves proudly endorsing a man found liable for sexual abuse and defamation, and has been convicted on 34 counts of fraud and has spent his entire life defrauding people (Trump Charity, Trump Organization, Trump University) What sort of decent people support that nonsense?
MAGA only seems to think these things are wrong when other people do them, but when Trump does them, you rejoice in the streets and throw in
it in the face of decent people who can't find it in themselves to support a sexual abuser and defamer and a convicted felon.
You've gone from "Lock her up" to proudly supporting a convicted felon. And you think that makes Liberals look bad? You think that hurts us?
Mmmkay. We'll see what history has to say about such people.