mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Then say that. Not that she was a little girl. That is a rhetorical trick. Just state your case! And tell me, what it is you want me to agree on.
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Trump and QAnon?
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Then say that. Not that she was a little girl. That is a rhetorical trick. Just state your case! And tell me, what it is you want me to agree on.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
I'm sorry, could you please elaborate how this is related to Qanon or adjacent right-wing conspiracy theories?
Colt
Well-Known Member
QAnon developed among the promotion of a number of conspiracies.
New York Times
12/14/2021
The New York Times podcast "The Daily" broke down the history of the "profoundly flawed" Steele dossier on Monday, with host Michael Barbaro commenting the document should never have had the level of media and political impact it did.
It's the latest media reckoning with the dossier, the series of memos by ex-British intelligence officer Christopher Steele alleging an extensive conspiracy between Donald Trump and the Russians to defeat Hillary Clinton, as well as salacious allegations of blackmail tapes, and Trump-Russia contacts going back more than a decade.
"It seems we can clearly see now that the Steele dossier should never have had the life and the impact that it did," Barbaro said. "It should never have been used in the wiretap warrant for Carter Page, should never have been read into the congressional record, or featured on prime time segments on cable news."
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It wasn't mean to come out as it did as this was an intelligence issue as a heads-up about what Steele had heard from Russian and Dutch intelligence sources in Russia.
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
Exactly. It was leaked raw data, not publication-ready.
Good analysis here. Although it's from 2018 I don't think it's changed that it has not been disproven:
The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective
With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time. In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal casesbrought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos. We also considered the draft statement of offensereleased by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.
These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically. The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven.
But much of the reporting simply remains uncorroborated, at least by the yardstick we are using.
Colt
Well-Known Member
It was "meant" to affect the election in favor of Clinton! Thats why Steele himself leaked it in October. Elements within the FBI had the same motives in using the unverified material in deceiving the FISA courts in search of dirt on Trump.
Remember that Russian hackers apparently hacked the DNC releasing a trove of embarrassing emails which lead to the resignation of
Deborah Wasserman Schultz. Donna Brazile replaced Schultz and subsequently wrote a book about the Clintons takeover of the DNC and why Hillary lost.
The real Russan collusion was the DNC connection to the dossier material and the (D) dominated media complex gleefully joining in the conspiracy to make Trump appear to have done what the DNC actually did!
Your side got caught and we all know the truth!
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
Have you forgotten it was the conservative Washington Free Beacon who initially hired Fusion GPS? Opposition research is done all the time, by both parties.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And this is the kind of nonsense that Fox told you, right?
Two problems: Steele did not release it as two FBI agents did that, and also that it was Pubs that first were seeking Steele's findings but gave that up after Trump got the nomination.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
What does this have to do with Qanon, again?
Colt
Well-Known Member
Not true, your automated Fox news reply because you don't like anything that counters your left-wing media bubble, failed again. The Buzz Feed release of the Steele dossier came from bitter John McCains office because Steele had given it to them! That was Steeles testimony on page 176 in the IG's FBI’s FISA abuse report.
Colt
Well-Known Member
Its all part of the conspiracy topic and nobody else seems to be posting.
Colt
Well-Known Member
Haven't forgotten at all, Steele took over AFTER the (R)'s stopped and Trump won the primary. It was then that the fake dirt was added.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
But this is not a "conspiracy topic", it deals specifically with the relationship between Trump and Qanon, as the thread's title should have pointed out to you. Have you not read anything in this thread before you started posting?
Why do you think you are entitled to just jump into threads and post random nonsense regardless of where previous discussions had been going?
Can't you at least make the minimal effort of creating your own thread to post your own conspiracy theories?
Colt
Well-Known Member
You have appointed yourself the hall monitor of the thread? The OP asks about QAnon and how it evolved. I'm offering a window into how and why people in QAnon don't trust the government that was involved in undermining Trump. maybe you don't like to see the ugliness that is the Left in America?
Colt
Well-Known Member
Heck, this is just today.
Jan. 6 committee admits to altering text message between Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan
The Jan. 6 committee admitted that it changed a text message between former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and Rep. Jim Jordan, excluding relevant context about how they wanted then-Vice President Mike Pence to handle electoral votes.
“The Select Committee on Monday created and provided Representative Schiff a graphic to use during the business meeting quoting from a text message from ‘a lawmaker’ to Mr. Meadows. The graphic read, ‘On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all.' In the graphic, the period at the end of that sentence was added inadvertently. The Select Committee is responsible for and regrets the error,” a spokesman for the select committee said in response to inquiries from the Federalist.
The committee cut off half a sentence and paragraphs of further information, then added a period and changed the format so it appeared to be the whole message, the outlet reported.
This story is breaking. Please check back for updates.
Jan. 6 committee admits to altering text message between Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan
The Jan. 6 committee admitted that it changed a text message between former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and Rep. Jim Jordan, excluding relevant context about how they wanted then-Vice President Mike Pence to handle electoral votes.
“The Select Committee on Monday created and provided Representative Schiff a graphic to use during the business meeting quoting from a text message from ‘a lawmaker’ to Mr. Meadows. The graphic read, ‘On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all.' In the graphic, the period at the end of that sentence was added inadvertently. The Select Committee is responsible for and regrets the error,” a spokesman for the select committee said in response to inquiries from the Federalist.
The committee cut off half a sentence and paragraphs of further information, then added a period and changed the format so it appeared to be the whole message, the outlet reported.
This story is breaking. Please check back for updates.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
I suppose I should thank you for finally being honest about spreading Qanon and other right-wing conspiracy theories, after several days of evasion and dodging my questions.
Colt
Well-Known Member
I'm sorry if your sense of self-importance gave you the impression that I was dodging a question from you or thinking of you over the past 3 days.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It at least partially came out even before Buzz Feed:
In October 2015, before the official start of the 2016 Republican primary campaign, the founders of Fusion GPS were seeking political work and wrote an email to "a big conservative donor they knew who disliked Trump, [and] they were hired". He arranged for them to use The Washington Free Beacon, an American conservative political journalism website, for their general opposition research on several Republican presidential candidates, including Trump.[50][51] It is primarily funded by Republican donor Paul Singer.[51] The Free Beacon and Singer were "part of the conservative never-Trump movement".[52] Although Singer was a big supporter of Marco Rubio, Rubio denied any involvement in Fusion GPS's initial research and hiring.[53]...
In October 2017, the Free Beacon issued a statement:
"All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to the Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier. The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele. Nor did we have any knowledge of the relationship between Fusion GPS and the Democratic National Committee, Perkins Coie, and the Clinton campaign."[53]...
The founders of Fusion GPS have described how they did not hide the fact that they were researching Trump and Russia: "Fusion and Steele tried to alert U.S. law enforcement and the news media to the material they'd uncovered ..." and their office became "something of a public reading room" for journalists seeking information. In September they arranged a private meeting between Steele and reporters from The Washington Post, The New York Times, The New Yorker, ABC News, and other outlets. The results were disappointing, as none published any stories before the election.[58] -- Steele dossier - Wikipedia
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And the Federalist is a supposedly reliable source? I'll await judgement until I get more info from some other sources as well.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Personally speaking, I don't trust The Federalist to be honest enough to report reliable news stories.
The Federalist Media Bias | AllSides
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