Trump Assassination Attempt

[Estro Felino]

Orbin was discouraged from speaking with Putin by Mitchel if I'm not mistaken, and Fitso was shot after announcing intent to promote peaceful relations with Russia. I'm curious about the war machine in play.

Russia doesn't appear to have any intentions of backing off, China is claiming neutral, yet has money involved both there and in the States. China's leveraging is noted and very likely important to the overall equation. This seems to be a multi-faceted leveraging, both in position and ability.

Ukraine is and has been under fire, Nato is beginning to move a little more than in recent history, and the United States is under current leadership transitions, not long after the UK made a move away from their normal conservative stance. Most of Europe remains on the right side of the fence, and I'm curious how this all plays into your comment about Orbin and Fitso and why you view NATO to be the real "warmongers".

It seems to me that a one way street has presented itself, and while many if not most of us would prefer peace, peace doesn't appear to be something on the plate of our world leaders.

To be a promoter of peace, what is needed?

What is needed?
To promote the dialogue between Russia and the EU, to begin with. What Orban has been doing, by flying to Moscow and speaking with Putin in person.
There are so many solutions available, like an immediate ceasefire, and a demilitarization of the Donbas regions.

Europeans want peace. But the NATO wants war, they want to fight a war against Russia...and Ukraine is just a pawn.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Australian media is reporting that the killer was a registered Republican, that throws in a loop!! Washington Post has confirmed this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/13/2024-election-campaign-updates-biden-trump-rally/

I'll wait for the the government in confirming that. Not a left wing echo chamber.

 

[Revoltingest]

The 20-year-old shooter was a registered Republican who donated $15 to a Democratic action committee "ActBlue" on Biden's inauguration day. His mother is a registered Democrat, his sister a registered Republican, and his father a registered Libertarian. He was not very active on social media, and he seems to have been an advocate of Second Amendment causes. Very American.

Of course, it is pointless to speculate on his motives, and why he did it isn't even important. What is important is that he had his causes and a military-style assault weapon that he could use in an attempt to assassinate a political figure. Pretty much any deranged nut with a cause can equip himself with an assault weapon these days, and there will be a lot of politicians out there campaigning for office in the next few months.

I've seen no evidence he had an assault weapon.
All we know so far is that it was a look-alike.
An actual "assault weapon" (by definition) would
require much paperwork, approval, & $10,000.

 

[LuisDantas]

This is terrible news, for reasons both obvious and perhaps a bit subtle.

There will be all sorts of wasteful "conspiracy theories", lots of unavoidable suspicions, and unfortunately the whackos who saw Trump as some sort of representant of their god will hasten to conclude that he was "saved by god".

Everything that will benefit no decent person.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Australian media is reporting that the killer was a registered Republican, that throws in a loop!! Washington Post has confirmed this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/13/2024-election-campaign-updates-biden-trump-rally/

I'll wait for the the government in confirming that. Not a left wing echo chamber.

 

[PureX]

Wild, a sudden turn of the head/body shift prevented all out chaos. Centimeters from having his brains blown out, live, in 4k. Then to stand up, fist raised for the perfect picture, American flag flying in the background.

Folks, that's the President, wrap it up.

It'll all be forgotten in two weeks.

 

[Estro Felino]

This is terrible news, for reasons both obvious and perhaps a bit subtle.

There will be all sorts of wasteful "conspiracy theories", lots of unavoidable suspicions, and unfortunately the whackos who saw Trump as some sort of representant of their god will hasten to conclude that he was "saved by god".

Everything that will benefit no decent person.

Nobody can deny that what we have been listening to throughout these months was comments like "we gotta stop Trump from running, in one way or in another" or something like "I will not stand 4 years of Trump"...

so...come on...dealing with this incident as if it were something coming out of the blue...

Por favor... no.

 

[PureX]

I'll wait for the the government in confirming that. Not a left wing echo chamber.

He was wearing a t-shirt from a right wing extremist organization that advocates for a violent revolution.

You don't have to wait on that, you can see it in the photos.

The motive was that he thought if he assassinated Trump, it would start a second civil war. All these right wing gun-loving nut jobs are just itching for a civil war. They all think it'll usher in a new era of unassailable white privilege with them in the power seat.

 

[Estro Felino]

It'll all be forgotten in two weeks.

The 6th of January wasn't forgotten after 2 weeks, as far as I remember.

 

[Revoltingest]

...whackos who saw Trump as some sort of representant of their god will hasten to conclude that he was "saved by god".

Already happened.

'God saved Trump,' supporters say, and Trump agrees

Trump posted on Truth Social the day after the shooting that 'it was God alone who prevented the unthinkable.'

www.al.com

But wouldn't it have been God who let Trump get shot in the first place?
This God fellow is inscrutable indeed.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yeah, it kind of is his fault the way he heads a dominionist movement hellbent on white supremacy and turning America into a Christian version of Iran. He's a fascist and fascists often face political violence (that you live by the sword you die by the sword sort of thing).

Show me anywhere where Trump yells fascism wins!

I can show you a Democrat yelling socialism wins!

Wanna see it?

 

[Revoltingest]

Nobody can deny that what we have been listening to throughout these months was comments like "we gotta stop Trump....

Magas have been saying they "gotta stop Biden".
Are you predicting an assassination attempt on him?

 

[Twilight Hue]

He was wearing a t-shirt from a right wing extremist organization that advocates for a violent revolution.

You don't have to wait on that, you can see it in the photos.

Funny that only you can see it. I heard nothing of the sort from anyone else mentioning that.

Plus wearing the uniform of the enemy isn't unusual when the intent is to infiltrate a place or area, so him wearing a right wing t shirt means absolutely nothing anyways.

 

[Revoltingest]

He was wearing a t-shirt from a right wing extremist organization that advocates for a violent revolution.

Why do you believe that about Demolition Ranch?

 

[Balthazzar]

What is needed?
To promote the dialogue between Russia and the EU, to begin with. What Orban has been doing, by flying to Moscow and speaking with Putin in person.
There are so many solutions available, like an immediate ceasefire, and a demilitarization of the Donbas regions.

Europeans want peace. But the NATO wants war, they want to fight a war against Russia...and Ukraine is just a pawn.

I'm looking at larger machines and smaller territories left to fend off the larger. The instigation, the temp cease fires, at least in Gaza, and the need of the few all geared it seems to pull other, more capable entities into conflict. It would be nice to come to more peaceful resolutions, but I'm not certain if this option is favored by those not in the mix and mess created by the instigation itself. I feel like the egg shell surface and each step taken just adds more and more instability. Moving forward seems a daunting effort, but not without an end to the turmoil one day. Question: Mitchel suggested Orbin wasn't prepared well enough or in a position able to initiate peace between Europe and Russia. Why would Orbin insist if he is in fact limited in such a way? I'm unaware of his true capabilities, but I would think at this point this involves not having the reach needed to do so, thus we once again have more and more drawn into the conflict. Perhaps this is the overall intent behind the instigations.

 

[George-ananda]

I just have to notice this shooting appears to have been carried out by a 20 year old local resident with an AR assault rifle which is the very type of weapon the Democrats don't believe should be in the hands of regular citizens. Republicans oppose banning these assault rifles.

I'm with the Democrats (at least on this issue).

 

[LuisDantas]

Nobody can deny that what we have been listening to throughout these months was comments like "we gotta stop Trump from running, in one way or in another" or something like "I will not stand 4 years of Trump"...

so...come on...dealing with this accident as if it were something coming out of the blue...

Por favor... no.

Why are you addressing me? I am not part of your target audience.

 

[PureX]

The 6th of January wasn't forgotten after 2 weeks, as far as I remember.

This wasn't the 6th of January.

Thirty people died in mass shootings in the U. S. in just the last few weeks. And no one even noticed outside their immediate locales. Already no one knows or cares about the innocent civilians that were shot instead of Trump at that rally.

Trump and his sycophants will be touting this as some sort of super-heroic feat. But Americans are getting shot and shot at every day in this country. And they aren't heroes. They're victims.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I just have to notice this shooting appears to have been carried out by a 20 year old local resident with an AR assault rifle which is the very type of weapon the Democrats don't believe should be in the hands of regular citizens. Republicans oppose banning these assault rifles.

I'm with the Democrats (at least on this issue).

No it wasn't an AR assault rifle. You need to get the facts straight.

 

[Balthazzar]

He was wearing a t-shirt from a right wing extremist organization that advocates for a violent revolution.

You don't have to wait on that, you can see it in the photos.

The motive was that he thought if he assassinated Trump, it would start a second civil war. All these right wing gun-loving nut jobs are just itching for a civil war. They all think it'll usher in a new era of unassailable white privilege with them in the power seat.

A possible behind the scenes intent, I'm sure. I wonder where he picked the shirt up. The larger global picture seems similar, but I'm not so quick to point fingers at the conservative white privilege voter base being the instigating factor behind any of it.