Kartari
Active Member
Hi Sunstone,
Good news... yet I continue to be floored that so many people continue to be this oblivious.
Good news... yet I continue to be floored that so many people continue to be this oblivious.
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Trump Base Shows Signs of Cracking
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esmith
Veteran Member
Please read my post #18.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Ya, I already read the whole thread, thanks. I just felt it needed to be rubbed in a bit.
This is probable. Those who supported Trump for economic reasons will not wait patiently forever. Most of what's happening now doesn't really affect the general public all that much. It's just squabbling between rival elite factions which serve mainly as entertainment and distraction.
For most of the Great Unwashed, life still goes on - and if one didn't bother watching the news or the media, one would hardly suspect that there's anything awry or amiss in America these days - other than what people have been complaining about for decades and what they're expecting Trump to fix. But they won't wait forever, and unless they start seeing some tangible results in their own communities soon, then Trump's support base will shatter into a million pieces.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Yes , it does. If the person is a known to be or can be shown to be a pathological liar their testimony in court is not as reliable.
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Reich's reasons given to impeach are weak indeed.
Robert Reich: We Already Have Four Good Reasons to Impeach Trump (and a Fifth May Be on the Way)
His questionable judgement is good reason to doubt that he correctly inferred what he claimed to hear.
And some have argued that the mere fact that Trump is being investigated would be grounds.
If they proceeded upon such shaky ground, the likely loss would weaken the Democrats.
That's a problem if cromulent reasons to impeach later arose...it would give Trump greater
license to act with impunity.
And impeachment is easier than a conviction.
As we saw with Clinton, he was guilty of crimes (perjury, suborning perjury), but the
Senate still didn't convict. Dems saw that this failed actions hurt the Pubs politically.
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Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
If Trump's support erodes too much than the politicians in Congress will find a reason to impeach him to save their own hides.
Don't hold your breath.
Trump never had as much support as his numbers would suggest.
Many who voted for him don't like him.
We just opposed Hillary more.
And this opposition is not waning.
Impeachment......if it prevents unity over starting a new war,
I could get behind it.....even if it's a baseless distraction.
Peace.....a good result is a good result.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
I think you are misunderstanding me, but I don't care enough to try and clarify myself.
esmith
Veteran Member
No problem I am quite experienced at giving and receiving "cuts".
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Obstruction of Justice if he really fired Comey to "relieve pressure" from the Russia investigation and Collusion with an adversarial nation to interfere with our election.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
That is because it hasn't been proven YET. It is an extremely new development. If they can prove it, they will. There are many ways they can do it. If they have Trump on tape (and I'm pretty sure that the CIA and FBI would record conversations with Russian agents even in the White House), that would be enough.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
This has nothing to do with the obstruction of justice claim against Trump. The claim is that Trump fired Comey to relieve pressure from the Russia investigation. If that is the case, Trump attempted to obstruct justice. It doesn't matter whether Trump thinks he's innocent or whether Trump actually is innocent in regards to Russian collusion. If he fired Comey because of the Russian investigation, that is obstruction of justice, and he should be impeached for it.
That being said, they would have to prove it in impeachment hearings obviously.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
That is why there is corroborating testimony and evidence. Other sources might be able to confirm. Recordings. Official transcripts.
Trump is certainly not careful, so I'm sure there will be plenty of available evidence if he actually tried to obstruct justice.
Your post was clear.
Good jumping off point for new material.
Reich has better access to information than you do, bro.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
You're just assuming that; plus I'm almost 2 inches taller than Bob.
And 20 IQ points taller!
I'll note that access to information is a good thing.
But then judgement is required to evaluate it.
(This is opportunity for mischief.)
Given a choice between good judgement & good access.....I prefer the former.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Trump supporters are sounding more and more like conspiracy theorists these days.
"It's the media ... they are just making up sources and fake comments from Trump"
"Everyone against us"
"The Government is secretly against us"
"The real problem is that there are secret anti-Trump agents in the White House leaking information to the press"
"The world is out to get him because he's an outsider"
"Robert Reich is lying"
"Comey is lying"
The only thing we actually know for sure is that Donald Trump has repeatedly been publicly and unashamedly dishonest during his very short tenure as President. Yet, you seem to ignore that completely, assuming everyone else is lying instead. Why is that?
Some of Trump's more ridiculous lies thus far:
1. Says he "won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally." (absolutely no evidence offered)
2. Obama illegally wiretapped Trump Tower during the campaign (absolutely no evidence offered)
3. Before the presidential campaign, "I didn't know Steve (Bannon)."
4. "We don't have any" chess grandmasters in the United States.
5. Says he won the second debate with Hillary Clinton "in a landslide" in "every poll."
6. Says a tweet he sent out "wasn’t saying, ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was just ‘take a look at" the background of Alicia Machado.
... and the list can go on and on