Trump Calls for Ban on All Muslims Entering US

[Revoltingest]

Are you expecting a 'New Hitler"?

I don't see one looming.
But then, I'm not the one Schiklgrubrering Trump.

(I bet that's the first time in history that "Schiklgruber" has been used as a verb!)

 

[Sapiens]

I understand.
But where HItler was sincere in his hatred, Trumps antics are mere posturing, & milder at that.

Probably said the same thing about Hitler in his early days,

 

[Revoltingest]

Probably said the same thing about Hitler in his early days,

Well, it's settled then, Trump is going to be the next Hitler.
And I thought it was going to be Hillary.

 

[Politesse]

The ever level-headed, and first-rate presidential material, Donald Trump has called for a ban on all Muslims entering the US. What next? Will he propose building a wall around the Middle East, Northern Africa, and Southeast Asia? More seriously, what do you make of this?

New York Times Article.

He's a danger to his nation in so many, many ways. Stoking hate within, justifying the enemy's propaganda abroad. I'm not sure I can recall anyone in my lifetime doing so much harm as a presidential candidate as the loonies have done this year. Trump is no Hitler if you ask me, but that does not by any means make him less dangerous. The Japanese concentration camp system was put into place under the leadership of (in many ways, at least) one of the most progressive government and president the US ever had; hatred only needs a spark, oppression only a whisper.

 

[freethinker44]

"Never" & unlikely are very far apart.
Do you believe that Trump will be the next Hitler?

I don't think so, not in the United States. We have too many safeguards against that level of tyranny. I think we would see a record number of executive orders overturned if Trump is elected. At least, I hope we would. I don't see any good coming out of a Trump presidency.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think so, not in the United States. We have too many safeguards against that level of tyranny. I think we would see a record number of executive orders overturned if Trump is elected. At least, I hope we would. I don't see any good coming out of a Trump presidency.

But if Trump is the next Hitler, as it seems some fear, I bet the anti-2nd Amendment types will be singing a different tune.
Oddly ironic.....just as Obama is the greatest gift to handgun manufacturers,
Trump might be the greatest boon to constitutional civil liberties.

 

[Sapiens]

Well, it's settled then, Trump is going to be the next Hitler.
And I thought it was going to be Hillary.

No, you heard wrong, he's going to give us the next Hillary ... as president, like it or not. Trump will get the GOP nomination, and do to the right what Dukakis did to the left.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, you heard wrong, he's going to give us the next Hillary ... as president, like it or not. Trump will get the GOP nomination, and do to the right what Dukakis did to the left.

The old lose-lose scenario, eh?
Oh, boy.

 

[fantome profane]

"Never" & unlikely are very far apart.
Do you believe that Trump will be the next Hitler?

I am not playing the Hitler card.

But I do think that when one identifiable demographic is targeted, particularly when they are targeted for political gain, there is serious cause for concern.

I am not sure I agree with your assessment that Trump is insincere in his bigotry and is only doing this for political advantage. And I really mean I don't know, you may be right or you may be wrong. But the idea does not reassure me. Someone who can scapegoat people like this for political gain is just as dangerous as someone who does it because of sincere bigotry. If anything more dangerous.

And what really scares me is that this position is not exceptional within the field of republican candidates. Most of them seem to be saying the same kind of thing, and getting rewarded for it. This could be (perhaps already is) the start of a race among the candidates to see who can be the most bigoted, who can pander to the hate and fear the most. So I say again this kind of thing can get very ugly very quickly. I am not playing the Hitler card. But there are countless examples from history that show us how ugly this can get.

 

[Scott C.]

The ever level-headed, and first-rate presidential material, Donald Trump has called for a ban on all Muslims entering the US. What next? Will he propose building a wall around the Middle East, Northern Africa, and Southeast Asia? More seriously, what do you make of this?

New York Times Article.

As a Republican, I'm embarrassed that Trump is doing so well in the polls. His proposal to ban Muslims from the U.S. is absurd. However, even if a person's views are absurd, I don't want to see them exaggerated or distorted. The article implies that Trump contradicted himself by earlier saying "I love Muslims" and later saying that he wants to ban them from entry to the U.S. These statements are not necessarily contradictory. He may love good Muslims, and believe that the great majority of Muslims are wonderful people, but fears the terrorists and see this as the only way to protect the U.S. from deadly extremists. Again, I find the idea to be absurd.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am not playing the Hitler card.

But I do think that when one identifiable demographic is targeted, particularly when they are targeted for political gain, there is serious cause for concern.

I am not sure I agree with your assessment that Trump is insincere in his bigotry and is only doing this for political advantage. And I really mean I don't know, you may be right or you may be wrong. But the idea does not reassure me. Someone who can scapegoat people like this for political gain is just as dangerous as someone who does it because of sincere bigotry. If anything more dangerous.

And what really scares me is that this position is not exceptional within the field of republican candidates. Most of them seem to be saying the same kind of thing, and getting rewarded for it. This could be (perhaps already is) the start of a race among the candidates to see who can be the most bigoted, who can pander to the hate and fear the most. So I say again this kind of thing can get very ugly very quickly. I am not playing the Hitler card. But there are countless examples from history that show us how ugly this can get.

This is far too reasonable.
You're killing the mood!

 

[Scott C.]

As a Republican, I'm embarrassed that Trump is doing so well in the polls.

 

[Revoltingest]

As a Republican, I'm embarrassed that Trump is doing so well in the polls. His proposal to ban Muslims from the U.S. is absurd. However, even if a person's views are absurd, I don't want to see them exaggerated or distorted. The article implies that Trump contradicted himself by earlier saying "I love Muslims" and later saying that he wants to ban them from entry to the U.S. These statements are not necessarily contradictory. He may love good Muslims, and believe that the great majority of Muslims are wonderful people, but fears the terrorists and see this as the only way to protect the U.S. from deadly extremists. Again, I find the idea to be absurd.

There's a lot of embarrassment to go around.
Hillary just threatened Iran with military assault again.
Voters appear to favor the bellicose.

 

[freethinker44]

But if Trump is the next Hitler, as it seems some fear, I bet the anti-2nd Amendment types will be singing a different tune.

Not me. I still believe anyone that thinks they will use guns to protect themselves from the government is delusional. They will gladly pry your gun out of your cold dead hands and then roll over your corpse with a tank.

Trump might be the greatest boon to constitutional civil liberties.

That's what I was thinking. His presidency will be like one big four year class on the constitution.

 

[Politesse]

So when they are, in fact, rounding up suspected "ISIL sympathizers" and disappearing them to secret prisons or deporting them to the glad hands of our enemies, will it still be considered an internet faux pas to reference Hitler? I mean, personally I would expect modern fascism to look more like Kim Jong Il's government than Hitler's, but at what point are we allowed to comment on someone's apparent intent to subjugate minority races and religions?

 

[Revoltingest]

Not me. I still believe anyone that thinks they will use guns to protect themselves from the government is delusional. They will gladly pry your gun out of your cold dead hands and then roll over your corpse with a tank.

Tanks actually don't eliminate ground troops with small arms.

That's what I was thinking. His presidency will be like one big four year class on the constitution.

Aye.

 

[Scott C.]

There's a lot of embarrassment to go around.
Hillary just threatened Iran with military assault again.
Voters appear to favor the bellicose.

You grabbed my quote before I edited it! I deleted everything after the first sentence so as to not dilute that point.

 

[Revoltingest]

You grabbed my quote before I edited it! I deleted everything after the first sentence so as to not dilute that point.

Sorry 'bout that!
But it is good to recognize that no matter how loopy & dangerous Trump looks
which he does to me too), the other candidates offer some real competition.

 

[tytlyf]

I see both a constitutional & public relations problem for this policy.
I'll bet your left one that this is pure pandering anyway.

Trump is 100% pander. The Teaparty base are his supporters. He's just telling them what they want to hear. When in reality, he's ensuring the republican party is dead after the 2016 loss.

 

[Quagmire]

As a Republican, I'm embarrassed that Trump is doing so well in the polls..

As an American, I'm right there with you.