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"Trump falsely accuses Obama of wiretapping his phone"

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
That's what the investigations are for.

You are joking right? The Government can't go around wasting manpower and taxpayer money fact checking all the nonsense that falls out of Trump's mouth for the next four years. Trump makes wild baseless claims all the time and this is no different. There is no call for an investigation and the only reason you think an investigation is needed is because it is about Obama.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Ha, I like these threads with the same sore losses, always in vain trying to find something against Trump, Obama and his side kick Hillary just can't get over the fact that they lost, very sad really.:(

", always in vain trying to find something against Trump"

Not very hard to find something against Trump. His constant bumbling makes it kind of easy.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
If we're going to believe conspiracy theories than how about that one concerning the Russians affecting our election?
We already know russia hacked America (wikileaks). We know that people 'on the fence' over Clinton or Trump were swayed to Trump over fake news and propaganda.

It only takes 1 person believing the fake news to show evidence that the hacks had an effect. People rely too much on Facebook and social media for 'news.' That's dangerous.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You are joking right? The Government can't go around wasting manpower and taxpayer money fact checking all the nonsense that falls out of Trump's mouth for the next four years. Trump makes wild baseless claims all the time and this is no different. There is no call for an investigation and the only reason you think an investigation is needed is because it is about Obama.
If I ran the show, I wouldn't investigate every wag of a Dem or Pub tongue.
But I don't, & our government is rife with such obsessions.
To get them out of the way, investigations should quell the charges.
It wouldn't cost much since existing staff would do the work.
 

HeironymusJones

New Member
Isn't interesting Trump's tweets began to hit the fan concerning these Watergate comparisons right after such comparisons were being made in the media between Trump and same? Classic Trump: Whenever accused, turn the accusation back towards the accuser. "I know you are, but what am I?"

It's also interesting as well as highly disturbing that both Trump and the Kremlin are using the exact same script here by calling the crisis the Trump administration is facing the result of a "witch hunt conducted by the Democrats and the media." I mean, it's like magic. Putin speaks over there and his words spew from Trump's mouth over here. Truly astonishing.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Isn't interesting Trump's tweets began to hit the fan concerning these Watergate comparisons right after such comparisons were being made in the media between Trump and same? Classic Trump: Whenever accused, turn the accusation back towards the accuser. "I know you are, but what am I?"

It's also interesting as well as highly disturbing that both Trump and the Kremlin are using the exact same script here by calling the crisis the Trump administration is facing the result of a "witch hunt conducted by the Democrats and the media." I mean, it's like magic. Putin speaks over there and his words spew from Trump's mouth over here. Truly astonishing.
Great minds think alike?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
We know that people 'on the fence' over Clinton or Trump were swayed to Trump over fake news and propaganda.

Ah, more speculation and innuendos. Of course the "we" are those that are still having Election Post Traumatic Syndrome issues.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
If I ran the show, I wouldn't investigate every wag of a Dem or Pub tongue.
But I don't, & our government is rife with such obsessions.
To get them out of the way, investigations should quell the charges.
It wouldn't cost much since existing staff would do the work.

I don't really think you know how much it would cost.

However, I know Republicans wasted tens of millions of dollars an on pointless investigations into Clinton and even investigated the investigations.

How about to curb the spending off all these stupid investigations, when we do them we have a real reason to do them, and not for whatever stupid thing Trump is saying this week.

"To get them out of the way, investigations should quell the charges."

It does not work like that, as they start investigating the investigations and claiming a cover up, then they call for more investigations. It is not about finding something, it is about demonizing the other side.
 
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pearl

Well-Known Member
James Clapper, head of national intelligence until Jan 2017 noted there was no FISA warrant issued, and he was in a position to know, and expects he will be called to testify in the event of congressional hearings. Without such warrant, any tap would be illegal.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't really think you know how much it would cost.

However, I know Republicans wasted tens of millions of dollars an on pointless investigations into Clinton and even investigated the investigations.

How about to curb the spending off all these stupid investigations, when we do them we have a real reason to do them, and not for whatever stupid thing Trump is saying this week.
I wonder if this stupid spending simply prevented the money from being used for other stupid spending.
Besides, sometimes the investigation does unearth corruption, eg, Nixon's Watergate scandal.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
I wonder if this stupid spending simply prevented the money from being used for other stupid spending.
Besides, sometimes the investigation does unearth corruption, eg, Nixon's Watergate scandal.

"I wonder if this stupid spending simply prevented the money from being used for other stupid spending."

Is this really your argument for wasting millions of tax dollars on pointless investigations? You think the government wasting money is justification for the government wasting money? Am I hearing that correctly?

"Besides, sometimes the investigation does unearth corruption, eg, Nixon's Watergate scandal"

Sometimes the investigations are warranted. I am not saying don't do them, I am saying have a real reason to do them.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
"I wonder if this stupid spending simply prevented the money from being used for other stupid spending."

Is this really your argument for wasting millions of tax dollars on pointless investigations? You think the government wasting money is justification for the government wasting money? Am I hearing that correctly?

"Besides, sometimes the investigation does unearth corruption, eg, Nixon's Watergate scandal"

Sometimes the investigations are warranted. I am not saying don't do them, I am saying have a real reason to do them.
I don't think the money is necessarily wasted.
An efficient investigation is good.
A witch hunt is bad.
But the investigators are already in government employ, so there's no increase in cost.
Is whatever task they're pulled from useful?
That would tell us if there's any new waste.

The more important questions.....
Is it worthwhile to investigate Pelosi's & Sessions's falsehoods regarding having met Russians?
Same for Obama's complicity in illegal wiretapping.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
I don't think the money is necessarily wasted.
An efficient investigation is good.
A witch hunt is bad.
But the investigators are already in government employ, so there's no increase in cost.
Is whatever task they're pulled from useful?
That would tell us if there's any new waste.

The more important questions.....
Is it worthwhile to investigate Pelosi's & Sessions's falsehoods regarding having met Russians?
Same for Obama's complicity in illegal wiretapping.

"An efficient investigation is good.
A witch hunt is bad."

Efficiency and witch hunt. . . .

Right because investigating someone without any reason to do so, is very efficient and is not at all a witch hunt.

"But the investigators are already in government employ, so there's no increase in cost.
Is whatever task they're pulled from useful?
That would tell us if there's any new waste."

Oh I am sure Trump rather have them looking into Obama, than investigating him. Which is what this is really about.

And don't tell me about the cost unless you can quote actual numbers from a reliable source. The amount of money wasted on that email investigation was stupid, "Hey wait the investigation didn't give the results we wanted, we better investigate the investigation."

You have no clue how much it would cost, and if started you have no clue where it would end.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
"An efficient investigation is good.
A witch hunt is bad."

Efficiency and witch hunt. . . .

Right because investigating someone without any reason to do so, is very efficient and is not at all a witch hunt.

"But the investigators are already in government employ, so there's no increase in cost.
Is whatever task they're pulled from useful?
That would tell us if there's any new waste."

Oh I am sure Trump rather have them looking into Obama, than investigating him. Which is what this is really about.

And don't tell me about the cost unless you can quote actual numbers from a reliable source. The amount of money wasted on that email investigation was stupid, "Hey wait the investigation didn't give the results we wanted, we better investigate the investigation."

You have no clue how much it would cost, and if started you have no clue where it would end.
Whether someone should be investigated or not seems driven by partisanship.
Let's just hope this is minimized.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Ah, more speculation and innuendos. Of course the "we" are those that are still having Election Post Traumatic Syndrome issues.
What he stated are facts that got somebody fired and another having to recuse himself. Now its more about Executive Order Post Traumatic Syndrome issues and Trump is signing another on Monday.o_O
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Whether someone should be investigated or not seems driven by partisanship.
Let's just hope this is minimized.
No partisan really when people in GOP are wanting a special prosecutor for the Russia stuff. Trump however is on a witch hunt, was during the election and continues after being elected.
 
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