Trump has a real opportunity with the anthem protests, but, undoubtedly, he will waste it.

[osgart]

a President must always speak to the problems at hand, and address the very things protested. the racial problems are real. Trump doesn't make any attempt to heal the situation, and show compassion towards the issues. a total lack of understanding on his part. and it makes me sick.

 

[Lyndon]

Painting us white people as being bad? All of us white folks today are causing all the problems for the black folks?

Yeah there's prejudice. Have a thing against white people?

Racism is a real problem among white people, especially the ones that claim racism doesn't exist or they "have a black friend".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In response, Trump and his surrogates say that their protest doesn't make any sense and that it is, in fact, about the flag and the anthem because "Trump says so".

Plenty of Conservatives and Right-wingers who hate Trump agree with him, and refuse to see it as anything other than such.
Having just come back from California, being told that today (with an included part of "if you don't like it then you can just get the **** out [of America]," it was a bit of an explosive reminder of where I am. If you don't practically worship the flag and respect everything about it (including standing up and being super proper during a damn drinking song) as you would god, it's disrespectful to the troops and everything they've done, and it can be like waving a blow torch around in front of around a pile of dynamite.
Not once did I consider it a "Trump supporter" trait, nor has it crossed my mind, not until this thread. Rather, it's a Conservative thing.

 

[sayak83]

... but, undoubtedly, he will waste it.

NFL players are trying to spread awareness of racial injustice, or police brutality specifically, by kneeling during the national anthem.

What would a decent President do? Say, I hear you. Admit that there is a problem with racial prejudice and police brutality toward minorities in the country. Come to the White House and let's discuss how we can attack this problem.

Instead, he refuses to even hear them. They clearly and specifically explain that the protests are not about the flag or the anthem, they are about racial prejudice in this country. In response, Trump and his surrogates say that their protest doesn't make any sense and that it is, in fact, about the flag and the anthem because "Trump says so".

It is truly embarrassing/disgraceful that Trump doesn't have more sense. The players are protesting Trump's response now, so the problem is only going to get worse.

Trump just needs to say "I'm sorry for the way I reacted. I want to help. Let's get together and come up with a plan to address this issue." Instead, Trump divides, attacks, insults, name-calls, etc. When a pro-basketball player or sportscaster name-calls it is inappropriate, but not really too big of a deal. They are young and they aren't politicians or elected officials.

But, when a sitting President steps into a social battle over race, saying that protests about racial prejudice aren't valid and calls the protesters names, that is despicable, destructive, childish, inappropriate and unacceptable.

Trump has a real opportunity to change minds and make things better in regards to racial prejudice. But, instead, he is undoubtedly going to keep making it worse.

Mr. Trump knows that his success depends on continuing to polarize the nation and upping patriotic and nationalistic jingoism. He wants to paint people of color, new migrants and people of liberal attitude as unpatriotic fifth columns against which the white gun toting conservative white Christian patriots must unite to "make the nation great again". Talk of wall in the Mexico border, travel bans from Islamic countries, embracing trade war with China and moving rhetorically against N. Korea to dangerous level are all intended to create a sense among America that they are under siege from all sides and from within and without so that coarse instincts of xenophobic groupism prevails above all else. This method of gaining power is as old as the hills.. for Trump is a classic demagogue pure and simple. Expect Mr. Trump to drive America into war just before the next presidential election to ensure electoral victory.

 

[leibowde84]

Because its disingenuous an being used to manipulate people. Thats why. If BLM really was serious, black on black murder rates would be issue #1, racial prejudice can be secondary issue.

How is it being used to manipulate people?

 

[leibowde84]

Well first he got a lot of cheers in agreement at the time from his comments. I understand this not being a real majority but that's what he got exposed to.

Haven't otherwise seen any real number, so Trump can believe what he wants. Even if it does get reported he'll probably just call it fake news.

I'd suppose the only real meter will be at the next election. Maybe that's not even true. If he wins it's just mean he's was more popular than his opponent. If he loses, then maybe he'll question his support. Or just blame it on the Russians.

Sorry, I suppose the real answer is it's not so hard to believe whatever you want these days. I'm just taking it from his statement this is what he believes.

I guess I agree. He made the announcement at his rally, so if he thinks cheers at a Trump fan club meeting mean anything significant, he is more foolish than I thought. But, he does seem to believe things without any evidence or reasoning.

 

[leibowde84]

That is one of the most pathetically, abjectly and abysmally naive things I've ever seen. It's completely backfired on them in the worst way. Because the only thing they raised is people's ire.

I'm not sure where you live, but you could not be more wrong. The only people who seem to have a problem with the protest of racial prejudice are Trump supporters. And, they believe everything Trump says anyways. He's just playing to his base.

But, the players were successful. People are definitely talking about the issue now. And, more and more people are siding with them against Trump. Look at how hard the NFL hit back.

If you think there is no problem with racial prejudice and police brutality in this country, you haven't been paying attention. Trump should start a conversation about the issue rather than name calling and acting like a child.

Why would he protect the right of nazis to protest with swastikas, burning torches, nazi chants, etc., but be outraged when professional football players protest racial prejudice? Again, he's obviously just playing to his base.

 

[leibowde84]

Plenty of Conservatives and Right-wingers who hate Trump agree with him, and refuse to see it as anything other than such.
Having just come back from California, being told that today (with an included part of "if you don't like it then you can just get the **** out [of America]," it was a bit of an explosive reminder of where I am. If you don't practically worship the flag and respect everything about it (including standing up and being super proper during a damn drinking song) as you would god, it's disrespectful to the troops and everything they've done, and it can be like waving a blow torch around in front of around a pile of dynamite.
Not once did I consider it a "Trump supporter" trait, nor has it crossed my mind, not until this thread. Rather, it's a Conservative thing.

Good point. It is pretty easy to notice their bias when they say that they were protesting the flag or the president rather than admitting the truth ... that they were protesting racial prejudice.

 

[Enoch07]

How is it being used to manipulate people?

Hmmm I'll show you. Here is a list of 10 request by a BLM leader.

https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/

Change is not what is wanted. Nowhere listed is policy change. Just feel bad for us and give us your s**t. You are being manipulated by a group of people that want property and wealth without actually having to earn it on their own. If black lives really mattered to them, black on black crime and murder rates would be their top priority. But itd not, the top priority is getting paid.

 

[Lyndon]

Why do Christianity and racism often go hand in hand???

 

[leibowde84]

Hmmm I'll show you. Here is a list of 10 request by a BLM leader.

https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/

Change is not what is wanted. Nowhere listed is policy change. Just feel bad for us and give us your s**t. You are being manipulated by a group of people that want property and wealth without actually having to earn it on their own. If black lives really mattered to them, black on black crime and murder rates would be their top priority. But itd not, the top priority is getting paid.

So, do you think that racial prejudice and police brutality are not a problem in the US?

 

[Enoch07]

So, do you think that racial prejudice and police brutality are not a problem in the US?

Sure it is. Prejudice will always exist. Police brutality is at an all time high, but they kill more white people than they do black people, but you don't hear anyone complaining about that. I believe the police in the U.S need far more psychological evaluation and training.

 

[leibowde84]

Sure it is. Prejudice will always exist. Police brutality is at an all time high, but they kill more white people than they do black people, but you don't hear anyone complaining about that. I believe the police in the U.S need far more psychological evaluation and training.

While you are technically accurate, you are using faulty logic here. Black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

From Analysis | Aren’t more white people than black people killed by police? Yes, but no.

As data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

 

[Koldo]

While you are technically accurate, you are using faulty logic here. Black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

From Analysis | Aren’t more white people than black people killed by police? Yes, but no.

As data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

To be fair, you would have to adjust for crime rate by race.
If a certain group commits crimes more often than some other it is to be expected they will end up killed by the police more often. This doesn't address 'why' one group appears to commit crimes more often than the other though.

 

[Lyndon]

To be fair, you would have to adjust for crime rate by race.
If a certain group commits crimes more often than some other it is to be expected they will end up killed by the police more often. This doesn't address 'why' one group appears to commit crimes more often than the other though.

The most major crimes are committed by rich and ultra rich white businessmen, when's the last time you heard of one of them being shot by Police.

 

[Enoch07]

While you are technically accurate, you are using faulty logic here. Black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

From Analysis | Aren’t more white people than black people killed by police? Yes, but no.

As data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

Yea but more white people are actually killed by cops as far as raw numbers are concerned. This undisputed.

More whites killed by police, but blacks 2.5 times more likely to be killed

Also you are far more likely as a white to be killed by a black. You are also more like to be killed as a black by another black.

White On Black Crime vs. Black On White Crime: New Statistics Show More Killings Between Races

Blacks are 2.5 times more likely to die by cop because they are commit 39 times more violent crime than whites based on population.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS)

The numbers are staggering. And it's not because of racism. It is predominantly poverty that causes high crime rates amongst a people. Poverty is almost guaranteed in single family homes which is predominate in african american homes. Too many single mothers out there struggling because their partner ran off to be with other women, or is incarcerated himself. It is a vicious cycle that the african american community can only solve themselves with self discipline and hard work.

 

[Koldo]

The most major crimes are committed by rich and ultra rich white businessmen, when's the last time you heard of one of them being shot by Police.

I don't even remember. But I was not not talking about 'major crimes', but rather 'crimes in sheer number'.

 

[Koldo]

Yea but more white people are actually killed by cops as far as raw numbers are concerned. This undisputed..

Which is irrelevant in itself.

More whites killed by police, but blacks 2.5 times more likely to be killed

Also you are far more likely as a white to be killed by a black. You are also more like to be killed as a black by another black.

White On Black Crime vs. Black On White Crime: New Statistics Show More Killings Between Races

Blacks are 2.5 times more likely to die by cop because they are commit 39 times more violent crime than whites based on population.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS)

The numbers are staggering. And it's not because of racism. It is predominantly poverty that causes high crime rates amongst a people. Poverty is almost guaranteed in single family homes which is predominate in african american homes. Too many single mothers out there struggling because their partner ran off to be with other women, or is incarcerated himself. It is a vicious cycle that the african american community can only solve themselves with self discipline and hard work.

Do you mean there is nothing that should be done to help them ?
If you understand there is a connection between poverty and crimes, and since you can be a victim yourself, doesn't it make sense to help reduce poverty just so the odds of you ( and your family ) being a victim are also reduced ?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Blacks are 2.5 times more likely to die by cop because they are commit 39 times more violent crime than whites based on population.

You have to keep in mind, with such statistics, they don't include the total amount of crimes actually committed, but first and foremost can only consider crimes reported, and next they must have a culprit, and this culprit must be found guilty. And then we also have to consider the fact innocents are sometimes charged, but blacks more so often than whites.
When wrongful convictions affect blacks more than whites, can we call it a justice system?

The report, by the National Registry of Exonerations, found that “innocent black people are about seven times more likely to be convicted of murder than innocent white people,” and thus also account for a disproportionate share of the growing number of exonerations. African Americans who were convicted and then exonerated of murder charges also spent four years longer on death row than wrongfully convicted whites (and three years longer for those sentenced to prison).

Study: Black girls viewed as ‘less innocent’ than white girls

“What we found is that adults see black girls as less innocent and less in need of protection as white girls of the same age,” Epstein, the center’s executive director, wrote in a statement. “This new evidence of what we call the ‘adultification’ of black girls may help explain why black girls in America are disciplined much more often and more severely than white girls – across our schools and in our juvenile justice system.”

Black People More Likely to Be Wrongfully Convicted of Murder, Study Shows

Black people convicted of murder or sexual assault are significantly more likely than their white counterparts to be later found innocent of the crimes, according to a review of nearly 2,000 exonerations nationwide over almost three decades.

Innocent blacks also had to wait disproportionately longer for their names to be cleared than innocent whites, the review, released on Tuesday by the National Registry of Exonerations, found. Blacks wrongfully convicted of murder, for example, spent an average of three more years in prison before being released than whites who were cleared.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-likely-punished-commanders-courts/102555630/

WASHINGTON — Black troops are far more likely than their white comrades to face court martial or other forms of military punishment, according to a study to be released Wednesday.

Black service members were as much as two times more likely than white troops to face discipline in an average year, according to an analysis by Protect Our Defenders, an advocacy organization for victims of sexual assault and military justice. The group combed through Pentagon data from 2006 to 2015 for its report.

 

[Enoch07]

Do you mean there is nothing that should be done to help them ?
If you understand there is a connection between poverty and crimes, and since you can be a victim yourself, doesn't it make sense to help reduce poverty just so the odds of you ( and your family ) being a victim are also reduced ?

That is what I am saying. But handing over property and wealth will not help them. These are lazy fixes that will do nothing to solve the problem long term. They wouldnt be able to afford land taxes on any property and would lose that property.

Say I passed down my $300,000 home to a poverty stricken black family with a net income of $25,000 per year. They would depending on the state have pay upfront up to 20% tax on the value of the home. $300,000 × 20% = $60,000 upfront just to take possession of the home initally. Do you know any poverty stricken families with $60,000 laying around? Add to that homeowners insurance, hoa fees, and property taxes every year, it is a futile effort resulting in that family losing the home, in which a bank would just resell to a family who could afford it. It is an excercise in futility.

Establishing the nuclear family. A home with 2 parents and 2 incomes raising children is the most productive way to break the chains of poverty. It can be done in as little as one generation but can take 2-3 generations to establish real wealth. This is the only solution. And african american communities can only use self discipline to enact these changes. They can't be forced by anyone. The change is cultural and must come from within.