Trump is losing the debate acting like a raving lunatic

[We Never Know]

Why not?

Is it just a tactic because cities tend to vote Democrat, or do you really disagree with the principle of equal representation?

Take two houses in a neighbourhood.
One has 12 people living in it
One has two people living in it.
Both houses should have equal say in what happens in the neighbourhood.

 

[Kathryn]

You're seeing something that isn't there and missing what is there.
The article you linked to back up what you said, did not back up what you said, or say the things you claimed. You are just seeing what you want to see.

Sorry, I disagree.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Take two houses in a neighbourhood.
One has 12 people living in it
One has two people living in it.
Both houses should have equal say in what happens in the neighbourhood.

I'll take that as a "yes, I really do disagree with the principle of equal representation."

Why did you decide you don't like democracy?

 

[Estro Felino]

How will the ukranian people who've lost their land, liberty, and loves ones react? How will the parents whose children were trafficked, tortured, raped, and murdered by Putin's forces react? Whenever you simp for Putin, remember those kids.

But Ukraine sympathisers can be ...like this.

 

[Copernicus]

Is it technically impossible for a third-party candidate to become President? No.

The argument about unfairness of the electoral college system is valid, but it does not
categorically prevent candidates from winning, if the states vote for them...

If you reread what I said, you'll see that I did not contradict these points. Technically, it is possible for me to become President, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Indeed, I don't even want the job. It would eat into my time for making posts on social media, although Trump always found ways to make it work. My comments were about how the system actually works under normal circumstances rather than how we imagine it could work under unusual circumstances.

 

[Pogo]

Exactly! Their only voice is their EC votes.

For example Philadelphia could cancel out the whole state of voters.

Do you understand the concept of one person, one vote? Seriously?
Why should a voter in Wyoming have 287% of the effect of an average vote while a person in Philadelphia's vote is only worth 85% of that average vote?

Population vs. Electoral Votes - FairVote

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[Terrywoodenpic]

Voting for president should not be a state by state thing it should be by popular vote.
It would be better if it were not a party thing at all. But about the best man for the job.
With each candidate who is able to amass say 10,000 sponsors, funded by the federal government. With no other funding permitted.

 

[muhammad_isa]

US national debt: USD 35,381,344,000,000 when I checked. 35,381, 348,000,000 by the time I wrote this post.
India's national debt: USD 2,087,691.6 as of March 2024

So what? It's a game .. not one that I agree with, mind you.

The figures I refer to, are of total household wealth .. estimations of global wealth.
In 2022, the US held a 31% share (top) of global wealth (non inclusive of govt.), whilst
representing only 4% (3rd. after China and India) of world population.

If US Republicans wish to pay back US govt. loans, WHY CUT TAXES??

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That is not what you asked. You asked why I thought voting for Harris looked bad on someone's character. That is what I answered.

That's what you think that post answered? Wild.

So to paraphrase, then:

- you have heard Harris supporters and people aligned with Harris describing Trump negatively.
- you think these negative descriptions are unfair.
- therefore, you think it's bad to vote for Harris.

Do I understand you correctly?

Sounds like the main issue is that you can't see how the criticism of Trump are justified.

... which makes sense if these are things where you agree with Trump. Nobody's the villain of their own story.

 

[Pogo]

Since her vote doesnt matter people need to get off her *** on how she votes! That was my point.

But you brought it up in terms of making some votes more valuable which is because of the absurdity of the EC made even worse by the states that allocate all of their votes to one candidate rather than proportionally.
Her point is that her vote doesn't matter because the electoral college makes her vote trivial while in fact it would disenfranchise her if she voted for Harris in Ohio. Meanwhile your argument is that people in Wyoming deserve three votes each because they live in a sparsely populated state.

You really need to go back and do some basic math on the effect of the EC.

 

[Copernicus]

I don't want Trump to be President again, and me voting for anyone else doesn't matter anyway because I will be in a minority around here regardless. Never the less, I am fine with my vote, probably for a third party.

You keep saying you don't want Trump to win
You keep saying you will vote third party.

In short..
-You see it as not voting for Trump(which is correct)
-They see it as you aren't voting to keep Trump out because you're not voting against him and voting for their party.

No, that's wrong in my case, and I made that clear in my response to muhammad_isa. I see it as dodging the question by claiming she won't vote for him unless she lives in a state with a close election that Trump might lose. IOW, she feels her vote isn't needed to put Trump over the top in Ohio, so she can claim that she did not technically support Trump. However, her posts, like yours (if I understand you right), tend to favor Trump's election victory over Harris. You don't have to vote for Trump to be a Trump supporter, just advocate for his victory.

Kathryn is a Republican Party loyalist. I get that, but I see the Dick and Liz Cheney as Republican Party loyalists, too. The difference is that they see Donald Trump as an existential threat to democracy and the rule of law. So they will not abstain. They will vote for Harris and advocate for her victory over Trump, despite their opposition to her policies.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Take two houses in a neighbourhood.
One has 12 people living in it
One has two people living in it.
Both houses should have equal say in what happens in the neighbourhood.

Mmmm .. careful.
Here in the UK, we had a PM who insisted on a poll tax, that every person had to pay,
in order to fund local govt.
It was the PM's downfall .. it was unpopular, and uncollectable,
leaving local govt. in mess.

We reverted to "household tax", which IS collectable.

I know it's not the same as an electoral system, but it is a political issue.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In the US, we do have a few independent representatives that sort of operate this way--by "caucusing" with one of the two major parties in order to give that party a functional majority in the legislature. However, that is rare and usually involves just individual, or "Independent" candidates outside of a political party structure.

It doesn't need to, though. A small party with enough support in one region could still get seats in the House wildly disproportionate to their size. Maybe they even get a senate seat or two.

Look at the example in Canada of the Bloc Quebecois: they only run candidates in one province, but have managed to be official opposition in the past. They often play spoiler, pulling larger parties closer to their platform in exchange for support.

But, again, that kind of behavior only applies to voting for a legislator, not the executive.

But why's that bad? Most of the major decisions of the President still need to be ratified by the House or Senate.

 

[We Never Know]

Do you understand the concept of one person, one vote? Seriously?
Why should a voter in Wyoming have 287% of the effect of an average vote while a person in Philadelphia's vote is only worth 85% of that average vote?

Population vs. Electoral Votes - FairVote

The apportionment of electoral votes is based on the congressional representation for each state, meaning that each congressional seat equals […]

fairvote.org

Two houses in a neighbourhood.
-Bob, your neighbour has 12 people living in his house.
-You have 3 people living in yours.

If you want Bob's house to have more say than you about what's happens in the neighborhood, that's good for you.

I don't.

 

[Pogo]

Take two houses in a neighbourhood.
One has 12 people living in it
One has two people living in it.
Both houses should have equal say in what happens in the neighbourhood.

12 adults in Cheyenne have 6 times the say of a house with 2 adults in their neighborhood. that is the concept of equal say.

Why should the single family dwelling have the same power as an entire apartment building ?

The US is the neighborhood that we are all in when voting for the person in charge of the whole thing.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The difference is that they see Donald Trump as an existential threat to democracy and the rule of law. So they will not abstain. They will vote for Harris and advocate for her victory over Trump, despite their opposition to her policies.

Yeah, I get that .. obviously, it's a valid strategy.
..but not one that people are OBLIGED to take.

Maybe people vote for Trump, because they don't agree with Harris.. Hmm.
..better for everybody to vote for their preferred candidate, regardless of what you expect anybody else to do.
It just is not your responsibility .. other than advising them beforehand, of course.

 

[Pogo]

Two houses in a neighbourhood.
-Bob, your neighbour has 12 people living in his house.
-You have 3 people living in yours.

If you want Bob's house to have more say than you about what's happens in the neighborhood, that's good for you.

I don't.

So you are recommending that houses have votes rather than persons and we should change to a democracy of houses.
I suppose we could do that if we could figure out how to get houses to vote.
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[Clizby Wampuscat]

Nonsense, attempted cop out, and projection.

Keep your head in the sand, then.
Your choice.
Though why you'd choose to do so is beyond me.
Everything you claimed others have said about Trump is verifiable. You don't seem all that well informed and you don't seem interested in becoming informed.
Oh well.

No, you never asked me why I won't vote for Harris. You changed the subject and then insulted me for not answering a question you never asked. I have responded to that nonsense too many times to count.

 

[Copernicus]

What if find flawed in many Harris supporters is the lack of honesty when it comes to Trump. Harris supporters have claimed Trump is a racist, will end democracy, is like Hitler, is a nazi, is a white supremacist, is a rapist, is going to put political opponents in jail without due process, wants WWIII. everyone of those has been said by the media, dems and their supporters. Yesterday Hillary said he is dangerous to the country and the world a day after he was almost assassinated for the second time. I disagree with all of those characterizations. It shows poorly on them when they think these are true without good evidence and most just believe it because they have been told it is true my the media. Kamala has repeatedly lied about Trump and will continue to do so because she has no policy positions or answers.

You can question my character, but you are basing that assessment on what you think Trump is and not what he actually is. If Trump was all those things you think he is then I would not be voting for him. You don't have to agree with everything a candidate does or says to vote for them.

For some reason, you assume gratuitously that Harris supporters do not honestly believe that Trump is a racist and an existential threat to Democracy. Apparently, you simply don't believe that about Trump yourself, and you cannot imagine how another person could sincerely disagree with your opinion. You further point out that, if you did believe those things about Trump, you would not vote for him.

I'm not going to question your honesty or sincerity, but I will question your understanding of what Harris supporters believe. There is ample evidence that Trump is both a racist and opposed to our system of democracy. His record of racist behavior goes back to at least the 1970s, when I was living in the same city that he was and it was reported on in the news. I also take his organized attempt to stop the Senate from ratifying election results as a blatant attempt to overthrow a valid election and install himself as President through a majority vote in the House. So that is enough to convince me that he is an existential threat to democracy. If you think I'm not sincere in my beliefs, you are wrong. And I don't need to question your honesty or sincerity to arrive at that conclusion. I know it firsthand.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

That's what you think that post answered? Wild.

So to paraphrase, then:

- you have heard Harris supporters and people aligned with Harris describing Trump negatively.
- you think these negative descriptions are unfair.
- therefore, you think it's bad to vote for Harris.

Do I understand you correctly?

Nope. The question was not why I think it is bad to vote for Harris.

Sounds like the main issue is that you can't see how the criticism of Trump are justified.

A lot of it is not. Some of it is.

... which makes sense if these are things where you agree with Trump. Nobody's the villain of their own story.

I do agree with Trump on many policies that is why I am voting for him.