Trump is losing the debate acting like a raving lunatic

[F1fan]

I don't care about the irrelevant losers who have no facts to support their inane claims.

Now that's no way to talk about yourself. Let's look at what you claim next, and how inane it is.

Keep repeating the MSM talking points.

0:00 "there was Haitians is a white van driving around the neighbourhoods collecting cats"

0:23 "a van pulled over that had over 100 cats in it with the the Haitians"

Do Haitians eat cats? (the shocking truth)

Do Haitians eat cats? Discover if and why Haitians eat cat meat. The special event behind the practice and why it begins in the first place. You will never believe it.

www.haitianreport.com

So a toothless drug addict is your witness?

Who else do you have?

 

[Spice]

I don't care about the irrelevant losers who have no facts to support their inane claims.



Keep repeating the MSM talking points.

0:00 "there was Haitians is a white van driving around the neighbourhoods collecting cats"

0:23 "a van pulled over that had over 100 cats in it with the the Haitians"

Do Haitians eat cats? (the shocking truth)

Do Haitians eat cats? Discover if and why Haitians eat cat meat. The special event behind the practice and why it begins in the first place. You will never believe it.

www.haitianreport.com

This was actually a very good article you have linked which strongly supports that the "eating pets" in Springfield, OH is FALSE.

The Haitian that spoke in the article was very clear that "IF" cat meat is eaten in Haiti, it will NOT be anyone's pet, it would not be stolen, and it would only be done for the Christmas Eve feast; and even then, it's only occurs in remote rural villages where this delicacy is added to the Fench tradition of Reveyon.

And, BTW, they do NOT eat dog for any reason. So can we chill out a bit? Some people have pet geese. OTHER people eat goose on Christmas. That's a far, far way from them stealing their neighbor's pet geese to eat in July. But some people would indeed play the telephone game and take it there.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

After nearly 1,000 posts, I thought I'd mention a slight problem with your thread title -- Trump isn't "acting" like a raving lunatic. He has no thespian skills.

 

[Ebionite]

So a toothless drug addict is your witness?

Wow, I'm impressed. You went all the way to Springfield to find that out rather that risk slandering a complete stranger.

/sarc

 

[Ebionite]

The Haitian that spoke in the article was very clear that "IF" cat meat is eaten in Haiti, it will NOT be anyone's pet, it would not be stolen, and it would only be done for the Christmas Eve feast; and even then, it's only occurs in remote rural villages where this delicacy is added to the Fench tradition of Reveyon.

You misrepresented the article by leaving out words like mostly and probably.

"Most Haitians are law-abiding people. They would probably not steal, kill and cook a cat outside of Haiti."

The reports from the Springfield locals add weight to the possibility that the criminal element of Haitians are eating cats in Springfield.

 

[Spice]

You misrepresented the article by leaving out words like mostly and probably.

"Most Haitians are law-abiding people. They would probably not steal, kill and cook a cat outside of Haiti."

The reports from the Springfield locals add weight to the possibility that the criminal element of Haitians are eating cats in Springfield.

You are just bound and determined to believe the worse about innocent people, whether 1 or 15,000, that well known cons are bearing false witness against.

 

[Ebionite]

You are just bound and determined to believe the worse about innocent people, whether 1 or 15,000, that well known cons are bearing false witness against.

Just judgment involves looking at both sides. Most Haitians are probably not involved, but it has been a cultural practice for them and the reports of the locals strongly suggest that the practice has continued in Springfield.

 

[Spice]

Just judgment involves looking at both sides. Most Haitians are probably not involved, but it has been a cultural practice for them and the reports of the locals strongly suggest that the practice has continued in Springfield.

It is a cultural practice "for SOME" on Christmas Eve. And as you said that "most Haitians are probably not involved," why should they all suffer so much?

When there is an arrest, and mug shot, with a Haitian nationalist name, then I'll consider the to-date unsubstantiated reports as possibly having some validity, though that suspect, in this country, is still innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his equals, sworn to uphold the law.

Until that time, this is all malious, slanderous gossip that is creating real misery and pain for real scared people. Americans should be better.

 

[Copernicus]

Ebionite, do you even bother to read the stories that you post links to? The headline on that story is totally misleading clickbait.

Wrong, the headline says that the City Manager had heard the reports, and there is audio of him admitting to this twice in the exchange with Sanders.

The headline said that he "admitted" to hearing the reports, when, in fact, it was never in dispute that reports had been received and reviewed. The headline made it look like he had been denying that he heard them. What he said was that none of the reports received checked out or had any credible evidence to support them. The audio of him from the video cited in the article supports my point. The City Manager dismissed the allegations for lack of evidence. Anyone can go back and listen, but you apparently think you heard some kind of admission that just wasn't there. The resident at the podium claimed his sources were confidential, so he refused to disclose anything of use to the city. Rumors and allegations are not evidence that the reports were accurate or truthful. End of story.

 

[Ebionite]

The headline said that he "admitted" to hearing the reports, when, in fact, it was never in dispute that reports had been received and reviewed.

There was a dispute over whether or not the reports were credible. As you might expect credibility is a political issue because of the optics for immigration policy.

The City Manager dismissed the allegations for lack of evidence.

No, he said that he hadn't seen proof. He couldn't see any at the meeting because the submissions were oral, not written.

Rumors and allegations are not evidence that the reports were accurate or truthful. End of story.

Facts and evidence are different things. Hearsay can be factual but it is never evidence. The facts relating to the early hearsay about a witness seeing a cat being prepared for eating did not have any suggestion of dishonesty. The city is obviously invested in immigration and so the recognition of problems with that is bad optics for the City Manager. This is why it's appropriate to use the language of admission.

 

[Ebionite]

It is a cultural practice "for SOME" on Christmas Eve.

Again you left out "mostly".

And as you said that "most Haitians are probably not involved," why should they all suffer so much?

Because they don't condemn the practice.

Until that time, this is all malious, slanderous gossip that is creating real misery and pain for real scared people.

Reporting the facts isn't an act of malice, and the truth is never slanderous. The Haitians in the video didn't look like they were in misery, unless you count the expression of those stuck in the welfare queue,

 

[F1fan]

There was a dispute over whether or not the reports were credible. As you might expect credibility is a political issue because of the optics for immigration policy.

Rumors and gossip.

No, he said that he hadn't seen proof. He couldn't see any at the meeting because the submissions were oral, not written.

What evidence is there for anyone to see? Nothing yet.

Facts and evidence are different things.

Facts are a subset of evidence.

Hearsay can be factual but it is never evidence. The facts relating to the early hearsay about a witness seeing a cat being prepared for eating did not have any suggestion of dishonesty. The city is obviously invested in immigration and so the recognition of problems with that is bad optics for the City Manager. This is why it's appropriate to use the language of admission.

There is no evidence, no facts, that Haitians are eating pets. So we throw it out. Let us know when you actually get evidnce of it happening. Rumors don't count as evidence.

 

[Ebionite]

Facts are a subset of evidence.

As usual you don't know what you are talking about. Rules of evidence are owned by the judges, but the facts are owned by the people.

 

[Spice]

Again you left out "mostly".


Because they don't condemn the practice.


Reporting the facts isn't an act of malice, and the truth is never slanderous. The Haitians in the video didn't look like they were in misery, unless you count the expression of those stuck in the welfare queue,

Are you aware of the bomb threats on Springfield schools? ALL residents are suffering now, not just Haitians. That's why Vance had to admit he made it all up, and why OH has started asking for Vance's Senatorial resignation.

 

[F1fan]

As usual you don't know what you are talking about. Rules of evidence are owned by the judges, but the facts are owned by the people.

There's not even an arrest, why would a judge be relevant?

So where is the evidence? All your words and not a single piece of evidence. Just complaints because we require evidence before accusations are accepted.

 

[Ebionite]

After nearly 1,000 posts, I thought I'd mention a slight problem with your thread title -- Trump isn't "acting" like a raving lunatic. He has no thespian skills.

 

[Ebionite]

There's not even an arrest, why would a judge be relevant?

Because civil process doesn't involve an arrest and the language of evidence is being used to defend the city's position.

So where is the evidence?

Facts relating to the Haitian cultural practice of eating cats.
Facts relating to reports made by Springfield locals consistent with Haitians eating cats.

 

[Spice]

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I watched that piece. Biden was joking around with a Trump supporter who wanted Biden's autograph. He was being friendly, fun, and respectful.

 

[Ebionite]

Are you aware of the bomb threats on Springfield schools? ALL residents are suffering now, not just Haitians.

It's a symptom of bad city policy, bringing in unsustainable levels of immigrants which leads to resentment by the locals.

That's why Vance had to admit he made it all up

What he actually said is that he had heard firsthand accounts about it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/15/politics/video/jd-vance-haitian-immigrants-baseless-pet-eating-claims-bash-sotu-digvid

 

[Spice]

Keep repeating the MSM talking points like one of their useful idiots.

I'm not aware of what you're talking of here with "useful idiots." I don't follow MSM (TV) as I assume you're referring to. I do, however, follow very reliable news sources and double / triple check them against each other.

What he actually said is that he had heard firsthand accounts about it.

He admitted he heard a "story" from a follower and made up the rest - unapologetically. And he said he'd make up whatever he needed to. I believe he's more dangerous in the long run than Trump. I read his book, so I know some of what he's capable of.