Trump: "I've told them I want more weeks."

[Pogo]

"It is heart-breaking that a man who wants to have a child fathers one inadvertently, or purposely"

It takes two to get pregnant.
You want to blame the man for the pregnancy and praise the women for the abortion.
So IMO that statement is a crock of ****.

Edit... On my many years here on this rock I have seen more women purposely get/try to get pregnant to try to trap the man more than I have seen men purposely get/try to get the woman pregnant to try to trap her.

You who had never seen a single father in their mid 60's should realize that your observation skills may be questionable and as for your trapping observation, you really ought to look at the structure of our society and the likelihood of trapping the female via what, rape.;

Back off and go back and reevaluate the situation you described earlier from more than just your youthful perspective.

Parenthood really has little to do with the sex act and much more to do with the people who are the parents.
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‘There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy’​

That dead guy again.

 

[We Never Know]

You who had never seen a single father in their mid 60's should realize that your observation skills may be questionable and as for your trapping observation, you really ought to look at the structure of our society and the likelihood of trapping the female via what, rape.;

Back off and go back and reevaluate the situation you described earlier from more than just your youthful perspective.

Parenthood really has little to do with the sex act and much more to do with the people who are the parents.
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‘There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy’​

That dead guy again.

Lmao.

Show me where I claimed "I had never seen a single father in their mid 60's"

You are the word and grammar expert so please point out/quote where I said or claimed what you just claimed.

Or re-read what I actually said and understand it.

 

[Pogo]

Lol. I'm pretty sure 'there is a first time for everything' covers and includes 'lots of things'.

But you're the word meaning expert so you tell me.

Including things you haven't considered seriously though they may be appropriate, but try thinking beyond your box instead of doubling down on your original thought.

 

[We Never Know]

Including things you haven't considered seriously though they may be appropriate, but try thinking beyond your box instead of doubling down on your original thought.

My head is always outside the box. I know everything includes lots of things. Matter of fact it includes everything lol

 

[Pogo]

Lmao.

Show me where I claimed "I had never seen a single father in their mid 60's"

Post 149 you;
"I'm out and around pretty often and I haven't ever seen or heard a man in their mid 60's ever present themselves as a single father."

Now admittedly, you have maybe not ever actually had a conversation with such a person because it is not a typical subject of conversation amongst casual acquaintances, but your lack of engagement is hardly evidence that you had not seen one.

 

[We Never Know]

Post 149 you;
"I'm out and around pretty often and I haven't ever seen or heard a man in their mid 60's ever present themselves as a single father."

Now admittedly, you have maybe not ever actually had a conversation with such a person because it is not a typical subject of conversation amongst casual acquaintances, but your lack of engagement is hardly evidence that you had not seen one.

C'mon word expert. You can do better that that.

"I'm out and around pretty often and I haven't ever seen or heard a man in their mid 60's ever present themselves as a single father."

Did you notice the word 'present'. Its a key word.

Its not saying I have never 'seen' a single father in their mid 60's its saying I have never seen a man in their mid 60's 'present' themselves as a single father.

Since you are a word expert I assume you know what 'present' means correct?.

 

[Estro Felino]

No dear, you are just making one of your ridiculously indefensible arguments.

Explain me why my best friend has never had an abortion in her life.
She must have had 30 boyfriends in her life.

 

[We Never Know]

Explain me why my best friend has never had an abortion in her life.
She must have had 30 boyfriends in her life.

Maybe because she does everything she can not to get pregnant?
Some people don't do that because abortion is/was available as easy as going shopping.

In many cases the government/states even paid for it.
So if people don't want the government/states having a say in abortion, lets also quit making the government/states pay the bill for it.

 

[crossfire]

"It is heart-breaking that a man who wants to have a child fathers one inadvertently, or purposely"

It takes two to get pregnant.
You want to blame the man for the pregnancy and praise the women for the abortion.
So IMO that statement is a crock of ****.

Edit... On my many years here on this rock I have seen more women purposely get/try to get pregnant to try to trap the man more than I have seen men purposely get/try to get the woman pregnant to try to trap her.

Yes, it takes two to create a blastocyte. However, only one can bring that blastocyte up to an independently breathing being. The raising of the blastocyte to an independently breathing human takes place entirely within the body of the pregnant individual.

Sure, people can be manipulative cusses. Many of the arguments for making laws regarding the supporting of or the prohibiting of the right of a woman to choose whether to end or to continue a pregnancy center around people being manipulative cusses. One key way of diffusing manipulation is by setting clear boundaries. Bodily autonomy is a clear boundary we even afford to the corpse of a once sentient being.
There are many laws in place to punish those who violate the clear boundary of bodily autonomy of being who has experienced sentience within that body. Anyone wanting to cross that boundary or to muddle that boundary or to otherwise disrespect that boundary would certainly be a sign of them being a manipulative cuss.

I don't know how I could be more clear. Do you respect bodily autonomy, or do you with to muddle that clear boundary?

 

[crossfire]

Explain me why my best friend has never had an abortion in her life.
She must have had 30 boyfriends in her life.

Infertility affects about 10% to 20% (more or less) of the population (without fertility interventions.)

 

[Pogo]

Explain me why my best friend has never had an abortion in her life.
She must have had 30 boyfriends in her life.

You think this is significant evidence, .

Probability - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I thought you claimed to be educated or a lawyer or something.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes, it takes two to create a blastocyte. However, only one can bring that blastocyte up to an independently breathing being. The raising of the blastocyte to an independently breathing human takes place entirely within the body of the pregnant individual.

Sure, people can be manipulative cusses. Many of the arguments for making laws regarding the supporting of or the prohibiting of the right of a woman to choose whether to end or to continue a pregnancy center around people being manipulative cusses. One key way of diffusing manipulation is by setting clear boundaries. Bodily autonomy is a clear boundary we even afford to the corpse of a once sentient being.
There are many laws in place to punish those who violate the clear boundary of bodily autonomy of being who has experienced sentience within that body. Anyone wanting to cross that boundary or to muddle that boundary or to otherwise disrespect that boundary would certainly be a sign of them being a manipulative cuss.

I don't know how I could be more clear. Do you respect bodily autonomy, or do you with to muddle that clear boundary?

So..

-A woman gets pregnant, she doesn't want it but the man does. He has no say so its too bad, its going bye bye with an abortion.

-A woman gets pregnant, she wants it but the man doesn't. He has no say so its too bad, you are paying child support and etc for at least the next 18 years

So basically you are saying the man is just a sperm donor with no say in the matter either way

 

[Pogo]

So..

-A woman gets pregnant, she doesn't want it but the man does. He has no say so its too bad, its going bye bye with an abortion.

-A woman gets pregnant, she wants it but the man doesn't. He has no say so its too bad, you are paying child support and etc for at least the next 18 years

So basically you are saying the man is just a sperm donor with no say in the matter either way

Yup in a biological and for the most part cultural sense that is true, If you disagree with the woman's right to file for child support in the case that the father considered he was not responsible and just having fun, feel free to see if you can get the law changed. In the limited situation you describe I would probably even agree with you that the male should not be automatically liable for an unintended child.

i'm not sure that in humans procreation has ever been the primary reason for sexual relations, it is certainly not the primary one at this point in our evolution.

 

[We Never Know]

You think this is significant evidence, .

Probability - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I thought you claimed to be educated or a lawyer or something.

So what are..
-their friend's fertility chances
-their friend's sexual encounter numbers
-their friend's frequency of contraceptive usage
-their friend's contraceptives used
-their friend's playing it risky without contraceptives numbers

You need those to figure her probability of her getting pregnant/not getting pregnant. After all we are talking about one person, not a group or population.

Figure those out and let everyone know so we will all be educated by your expertise.

 

[We Never Know]

Yup in a biological and for the most part cultural sense that is true, If you disagree with the woman's right to file for child support in the case that the father considered he was not responsible and just having fun, feel free to see if you can get the law changed. In the limited situation you describe I would probably even agree with you that the male should not be automatically liable for an unintended child.

i'm not sure that in humans procreation has ever been the primary reason for sexual relations, it is certainly not the primary one at this point in our evolution.

"i'm not sure that in humans procreation has ever been the primary reason for sexual relations"

Really? You aren't sure? Sex is and has been done for pleasure and for pay probably as much as procreation for 100's of years.

Do you think bothels, whore houses, old west saloons, street corner girls, call girls, high class hookers, etc are done for procreation? Its about pleasure.

 

[Pogo]

So what are..
-their friends fertility chances
-their friends sexual encounter numbers
-their friends frequency of contraceptive usage
-their friends contraceptives used
-their friends playing it risky numbers

You need those to figure her probability of her getting pregnant/not getting pregnant.

Figure those out and let everyone know so we will all be educated by your expertise.

No, we can use science here as @crossfire already did and start with the observation that between 10 and 20 percent of women will never get pregnant without help and without knowledge of @Estro Felino's friend circle there is no reason to find this unusual. We could possibly go further and calculate a probability that @Estro Felino preferentially associates with infertile women but we will grant her a normal Italian cohort.

We could drill down through the data if any of it was recorded and see if any of your hypotheses were relevant to @Estro Felino's observation but that is for you if you wish to demonstrate your chops.

 

[We Never Know]

Infertility affects about 10% to 20% (more or less) of the population (without fertility interventions.)

Can your show their friends is Infertile?

 

[We Never Know]

No, we can use science here as @crossfire already did and start with the observation that between 10 and 20 percent of women will never get pregnant without help and without knowledge of @Estro Felino's friend circle there is no reason to find this unusual. We could possibly go further and calculate a probability that @Estro Felino preferentially associates with infertile women but we will grant her a normal Italian cohort.

We could drill down through the data if any of it was recorded and see if any of your hypotheses were relevant to @Estro Felino's observation but that is for you if you wish to demonstrate your chops.

And their friend may fall in the 80-90%.that are fertile

So you are only making blind assumptions and excuses based on populations, not on a single person.

If its a 10% probability it will rain, then you look outside and its raining, what % has that 10% probability turned into?

 

[Pogo]

"i'm not sure that in humans procreation has ever been the primary reason for sexual relations"

Really? You aren't sure? Sex is and has been done for pleasure and for pay probably as much as procreation for 100's of years.

Do you think bothels, whore houses, old west saloons, street corner girls, call girls, high class hookers, etc are done for procreation? Its about pleasure.

Exactly in most other mammal species as far as I know, procreation is only attempted at the point of Estrus, the point at which fertilization is most likely.
We are the real proverbial bunnies.

Oh, I forgot, our nearest genetic relations Bonobos have somewhat similar behaviours, even I think including homosexuality.

 

[We Never Know]

Exactly in most other mammal species as far as I know, procreation is only attempted at the point of Estrus, the point at which fertilization is most likely.
We are the real proverbial bunnies.

Oh, I forgot, our nearest genetic relations Bonobos have somewhat similar behaviours, even I think including homosexuality.

What does that have to do with me saying...

"Really? You aren't sure? Sex is and has been done for pleasure and for pay probably as much as procreation for 100's of years.

Do you think bothels, whore houses, old west saloons, street corner girls, call girls, high class hookers, etc are done for procreation? Its about pleasure."

Besides you agreeing with what I said about humans? Or are you moving the goal post to other species having sex?