Trump Puts Women Off Sex. Surprise

[Kathryn]

You say you lack the time & interest to support your claims.
Yet you've the time to tell me that.
This tells me that you care.

No, it tells you I'm bored this morning. On principle, I am not going to repost information I've already posted once before.

 

[Kathryn]

You say you lack the time & interest to support your claims.
Yet you've the time to tell me that.
This tells me that you care.

I caught you inventing a claim about abortion doctors.
Now all you have is....

Whatever you say.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it tells you I'm bored this morning. On principle, I am not going to repost information I've already posted once before.

Doubling down on the claim you posted it, eh.
Irrelevant links don't qualify as evidence.

 

[Kathryn]

Doubling down on the claim you posted it, eh.
Irrelevant links don't qualify as evidence.

I don't care what you think.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't care what you think.

Your continued posting to me says otherwise.

 

[Kathryn]

Your continued posting to me says otherwise.

I didn't want you to get the last word but I am really beginning not to care at all.

 

[Revoltingest]

I didn't want you to get the last word but I am really beginning not to care at all.

The lady doth protest too much about not caring.

 

[Nakosis]

4B comes to the US ...

- https://www.npr.org/2024/11/08/nx-s1-5182888/4b-movement-trump-south-korea

- What is the 4B movement, and why are women in America joining it?

- A feminist movement that advocates abstaining from sex with men is trending in the US after Trump's win

Seems to on the surface numerous problems.
Less need for abortions and or less population growth.

Certainly there are alternatives to sex with American women consumed with politics if that is their choice.
Win-win, so I approve.

 

[Stevicus]

I came across this article which made some interesting points:

‘A fatal miscalculation’: masculinity researcher Richard Reeves on why Democrats lost young men

Kamala Harris and Tim Walz had an opportunity to win a demographic that swung toward Trump – but they didn’t fight for it, says the author

www.theguardian.com

When we spoke a few months ago, you made a case for ways in which the Democrats could speak to men and women. It seems like the Democrats went in the opposite direction – they really presented themselves as the party of women.

Correct. And not only do I think that was a gamble that didn’t pay off, I think it was an unnecessary gamble. This was an opportunity. The Harris-Walz campaign could have leaned pretty hard into a pro-male policy agenda and presentation. When you have a woman at the top of the ticket, no one thinks she’s a closet misogynist. With Walz, you’ve got the first public school teacher to run for high office, who is also a coach. I mean, if you’re ever going to have a ticket that could speak to men, for the love of God, it was this one.

They could have gone out there with some pretty substantive ideas. Instead, zip. Even my progressive feminist friends were watching the DNC and saying: “Is there going to be anything for men?” Whereas the RNC was a carnival of masculinity. The Republicans put out a welcome mat there for men and said: “We can see you, we’re cool with you being guys, we like guys, the Democrats hate you, they think you’re the problem.”

Absent a proper Democrat response to that, I think Harris just ceded the ground.

Instead, at the very last gasp, they started to say to men: “Well, if you care about the women in your life, you should vote for us. Or maybe the reason you’re not voting for us is because you’re secretly a little bit sexist?” Trying to either shame or guilt trip or scare men into voting Democrat was spectacularly unsuccessful.

In the end, the Dems just didn’t do well enough among women to offset the gains that the Republicans made among men. It turned out that was a fatal miscalculation.

In reality, it’s not zero-sum. Men are not struggling because women are flourishing. But absent other reasons, it was allowed to become a more effective political strategy. What men heard from the right was: you’ve got problems, we don’t have solutions. What they heard from the left is: you don’t have problems, you are the problem. And between those two choices, it’s not really surprising to me that more men chose the Republican one.

If Democrats draw the conclusion that it was because it was a female candidate, that will be the wrong conclusion. Empirically. It will insult the male voters they need and it will hobble the careers of female politicians, potentially for a long time.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I came across this article which made some interesting points:

‘A fatal miscalculation’: masculinity researcher Richard Reeves on why Democrats lost young men

Kamala Harris and Tim Walz had an opportunity to win a demographic that swung toward Trump – but they didn’t fight for it, says the author

www.theguardian.com

Great article! Thanks for posting it. One of the problems with young men is they are being informed by the very people talking about men's issues that they shouldn't be listening to.

Tim Walz certainly had the potential to be a great example of positive masculinity, a perfect foil to Donald Trump.

In fact, the opportunity came along through Tucker Carlson, who stated that "Tim Walz is obviously gay," then went on this creepy rant about "Daddy Trump spanking a teenage girl."

 

[Eliana]

It won't work for Orthodox Jewish marriages. Men are already used to being cut off for almost half a year.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Your posts are too lightweight to trigger anyone.
Such love of Trump instead inspires pity.

Dosent look that way. I'd say pretty triggered givin the volume of responses.

 

[Revoltingest]

Dosent look that way. I'd say pretty triggered givin the volume of responses.

I post a lot.
Can't judge much of anything by "volume".
But love of Trump.
It's both strange & obvious.
Leave the cult.

 

[Twilight Hue]

... .

Tim Walz certainly had the potential to be a great example of positive masculinity, a perfect foil to Donald Trump.

....

I don't think so. Waltz dosent possess that particular quality by virtue of how he handled state government during the riots.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I don't think so. Waltz dosent possess that particular quality by virtue of how he handled state government during the riots.

Mind elaborating?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Mind elaborating?

What's to elaborate about? It's all over the place on how Waltz handled it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Mind elaborating?

Some posters don't elaborate or support claims.

 

[Secret Chief]

Some posters don't elaborate or support claims.

You don't need facts, just claims. Keep up

 

[Stevicus]

Great article! Thanks for posting it. One of the problems with young men is they are being informed by the very people talking about men's issues that they shouldn't be listening to.

Tim Walz certainly had the potential to be a great example of positive masculinity, a perfect foil to Donald Trump.

In fact, the opportunity came along through Tucker Carlson, who stated that "Tim Walz is obviously gay," then went on this creepy rant about "Daddy Trump spanking a teenage girl."

One of the things noted in the article is that the difference was not due to young men voting for Trump (which they expected), but it didn't seem to chime with as many young women as anticipated.

From the article:

The expectation was we’re going to see this break towards Trump among men overall and we’re going to see a break towards Kamala Harris among women overall. But only half of that really seemed to come true. Trump did overperform among young men, but Harris underperformed among young women. That is a surprise. I think that an election that was initially expected to be about women and women’s issues turned out to be an election about men. My former colleague Elaine Kamarck, now of Brookings Institute, was on NPR saying that abortion just didn’t play as big an issue as people thought. It’s not that women didn’t care about it. It just wasn’t as salient.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

What's to elaborate about? It's all over the place on how Waltz handled it.

How's it relate to positive masculinity in your estimation?