How mature of you.
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Trump Puts Women Off Sex. Surprise
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Samael_Khan
Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
Or they will take inspiration from A Handmaids Tale
anotherneil
Well-Known Member
Is it really that doctors are so afraid to intervene, or is it actually that they're being political and they're doing this to "game" the system? Is it really the actual doctors themselves, or is it "healthcare" administrators and legal teams, who the doctors have to answer to, who are engaging in a fearmongering and intimidation campaign to scare them and the public? If I wasn't pro-life and had a bottom line agenda of money and profit, that's what I'd be doing.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Makes good sense....
An unwanted pregnancy can ruin a woman's hopes for academic, business, travel or financial security successes. In some cases of medical emergency it could save life.
It doesn't have to be a 'feminist' movement so much as a 'female' movement, and after all, such a policy could protect some men from financial crisis as well.
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The way the Texas laws are set up is that allows any member of the public to file a civil suit for $10k against anyone except the mother connected with an abortion. Opportunistic bounty hunters should not be involved in health care. This is in addition to the the state laws involving steep fines, loss of medical license, and prison.
Texas abortion law a “radical expansion” of who can sue whom, and an about-face for Republicans on civil lawsuits
Senate Bill 8, which allows anyone to sue anyone who performs or aids in an abortion, marks an unprecedented change to who has standing to bring a lawsuit. The tactic is also an emerging trend in Republican-dominated states that may compromise constitutional rights, some legal experts said.
How Texas's abortion laws are driving doctors out of the state
Doctors in Texas potentially face huge fines, life in prison and losing their license because of the state's strict abortion laws.
www.cbsnews.com
Texas Medical Board adopts rule for doctors offering emergency abortions | Houston Public Media
The board's guidance is aimed at providing some clarity to physicians working within the narrow emergency medical exception to Texas' abortion ban.
www.houstonpublicmedia.org
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That's a state problem, no? Trump hasn't taken office yet, he hasn't changed any laws, so the existing law is what people are concerned about, not the fact that Trump won the election a few days ago. He also stated that it would continue to be a state issue. So basically, nothing changed.
A pregnant teenager died after trying to get care in three visits to Texas emergency rooms
It took 20 hours and three ER visits before doctors admitted the pregnant 18-year-old to the hospital as her condition worsened. She’s one of at least two women who died under Texas’ abortion ban.www.texastribune.org
No. As far as I know the Texas law was already in place when Trump won and he isn't going to interfere so if the law doesn't match people's needs, that's not related to the election a few days ago. It's a different subject. And why are people having a fit in so many other states where the Texan law doesn't apply?
Doctors I know care more about people than you apparently do.
You'd let them die if you believe you'd profit. They wouldn't.
Many other states also have laws banning abortion.
You might have a fit too, if you needed one, & have
to travel to another state at great cost.
Note also that Vance proposed surveilling women
who cross state lines in case they might get an abortion.
He wanted to prevent this. And he might soon become
President, given Trump's age & health issues.
Thus concerns (what you call "fits") are broader than a
single state, ie, the future portends increased restrictions
nation-wide.
It's not a compliment. Get over yourself.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Why would doctors risk their patients and their careers to do that???
There was a Supreme Court ruling called Roe V Wade that guaranteed a woman's right to abortion up to viability which became a Federal standard for about 50 years. Then, Trump, during his first term in office, installed three conservative supreme court justices. The State of Missississippi then passed a law banning abortion after 15 weeks. This law was challenged by Jackson Women's Health Organization as unconstitutional, citing Roe v Wade, and it went all the way to the Supreme Court. Of course, the now 6-3 conservative majority of the court reversed the protections of Roe v Wade, and the federal protections were lost, sending it back to the States. Conservative states then went on an abortion banning spree.
This whole thing was planned out and Trump was instrumental in making it happen.
Honestly I don't see the word pagan or polytheist as offensive...if addressed to Christians like me.While that's very poetic, it's not literally true. Our DNA does seem to hardwire us for religion, but the specifics of how that expresses itself varies from religious culture to religious culture, whether animism, pantheism, polytheism, henotheism, monotheism, etc. etc. There are those who begin life as Christians and become neo-pagans (or whatever). And there are people who start out life as neo-pagans, and become Christians (or whatever).
What I mean is that this anti-Trumpism is fueled by strong misandry. And the conception that women are all frigid creatures who don't enjoy sex, and so men have to beg them, implore them to have sex.
That's the image I get, whenever I see abnormal reactions like this.
In Europe I see nothing but economically independent women who enjoy having sex with men...and are proud of saying it publicly.
So they don't do any favor to men.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'
The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans.
www.nbcnews.com
WATCH: Trump praises 'heart and strength' of Supreme Court for overturning Roe v. Wade
Former President Donald Trump praised himself and the Supreme Court for overturning Roe v. Wade in 2022.
www.pbs.org
Oh, it is very much a compliment. Get real. You should not expect protection that you neither deserve nor ask for.
I wasn't saying you were being mature. The opposite, in fact. What "protections" are you talking about???
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Yes. They are afraid of being sued and losing their licenses. And it is the reason so many OB Gyns are leaving Texas.
No. There is zero evidence of that.
Yes, it is the doctors themselves.
"Dr. Anitra Beasley, a Houston OB-GYN, said she and other doctors bring the fear of criminalization into the room with the patient, even when they’re treating a miscarriage or other pregnancy complications. “It turns it into something that’s about me and my risk instead of being about the patient and their situation,” she said."
Texas’ abortion laws are straining the OB-GYN workforce, new study shows
More doctors are considering leaving or retiring early, while fewer medical students are applying to obstetrics and gynecology residencies in Texas.
" 'You're at a high chance of going septic or bleeding out,' " she says the doctors told her — a risk of infection or hemorrhage, which could become deadly. " 'And unfortunately, we recommend termination, but we cannot provide you one here in Texas because of this law.' "
Doctors' worst fears about the Texas abortion law are coming true
It's been six months since the Texas law banning almost all abortions after about six weeks of pregnancy took effect. Doctors and patients feel frustrated as they navigate the new legal environment.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Texas' new anti-abortion law is known as Senate Bill 8 (SB 8), also called the Texas Heartbeat Act. It was passed on May 19, 2021, and went into effect on September 1, 2021. IOW, this law was passed after the overturn of Roe, which itself was largely due to the Supreme Court Justices appointed by Trump.
Despite the deaths of women in Texas, both the Texas Supreme Court and the US Supreme court have refused to intervene or require Texas to reword the law so that it makes it clearer when it is appropriate to do an abortion to save the life of the woman.
The present election and new administration becomes important in that Trump has opted for non-intervention, even after the deadly consequences became clear. He so strongly favors states' rights in this case, that the basic human right to life is being sacrificed.
Because Texas is not the only state to have enacted these sorts of laws. It's just the best known. 14 states implemented near-total abortion bans: Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and North Dakota. Other states, like Indiana and South Carolina, passed strict limits on abortion based on gestational age, such as six-week bans.
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Nor am I applying the word pagan in a value laden way. I was trying to be simply descriptive.
I think you'll find as you get to know me better, that I really have very little concern for what people believe. I may enjoy discussing beliefs, but my emphasis is ACTIONS. If a person loves their neighbor as themselves, they are okay in my book.
I disagree. I am both a feminist and extremely anti-Trump, and I think men are amazingly wonderful. Accusing the loyal opposition of misandry is really not a whole lot different from accusing MAGA sorts of being misogynist.
I'm not sure where you get this from. There is nothing about the B4 movement that implies women are frigid. Voluntary celibacy is not the same thing as frigidity.
You think that women responding to a threat of death is "abnormal"? Talk about gaslighting.
Again, the 4B movement has absolutely nothing to do with women enjoying sex or not. It is a movement about violence against women, and the fact that less drastic attempts draw attention to this have gone unnoticed by men. They say insanity is repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome. Women saw that prior methods didn't succeed, so they changed their strategy.
In know that here in the US, 1 in 4 women have experienced some sort of sexual violence. Of those, only 20% go to the police. (Indeed, none of the women I personally know to have been raped ever went to the cops.) Of the police reports that actually have been filed, only 30-40% result in an arrest, and of those arrests, only about 25% go on to be prosecuted. And finally, of those which are prosecuted, only 10-20% result in a conviction.
That's just HORRENDOUS. It means that only about 0.15% of women who experience sexual violence will see their perpetrator convicted.
A related problem is that when women DO go to the cops, they are often not believed. Cops will bully them into withdrawing their complaint, and THEN prosecute them for filing a false police report. There literally are women here in the US who were raped and are now in jail, while their rapists are free.
I think you can understand why most women who are victims of sexual violence don't go to the police.
Now, we can go into domestic violence if you wish, but quite honestly, I think the rape issue all by itself is more than enough for women to scream, "You need to listen to us."
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