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Trump using hurricane Helene devastation for political aims, lies about the administration

Will the hurricane damage affect the election?

  • It will help Trump

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • It will help Harris

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • It won't have any effect

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • It will hinder voting and the effect will be incidental and unpredictable

    Votes: 8 66.7%

  • Total voters
    12

F1fan

Veteran Member
:rolleyes: He is running for the office of President last I checked.
Then you've surely heard that he is lying about the FEMA response, and causing nothing but problems. This is why the criminal candidate is not fit to be president again.
It didn't help Harris that there have been problems with the FEMA response in North Carolina.
What problems? Are you referring to right wing disinformation, because governors and mayors are saying FEMA has been excellent.

One problem is that congress gave FEMA 20 million for this fiscal season, and so far in the firts 8 days of this fiscal season FEMA has had to spend 9 million. Congress will have to appropriate more money if extreme weather continues. Will republicans play games?
Trump has donated and raised money for the relief effort.
Well his campaign started a GoFundMe, and oddly Trump can claim some of that money if he claims Mara-Lago was damaged. Given the guy is a crook will it surprize anyone if he gets some of that money? No one can trust the master of fraud. Charity fraud. Business fraud. Tax fraud. Election fraud. And you want this guy to be president? That tells us a lot about you.

There is only one ethical candidate: Harris.
They were told not to come. :rolleyes: Who's the genius that thought ignoring North Carolina was a good idea?
No one said ignore NC. Look at you having to exaggerate to make a fake point. Trump did not honor the wishes of the governor, and he did nothing to help. You say Trump is taking in donations, prove any of that money is going to help victims of the storms. The guy is a crook, and no one can give Trump the benefit of the doubt for any good deed.
If showing concern for the affected area is considered to be a middle finger to the Biden-Harris administration, then the Biden-Harris administration has a serious problem. :eyes:
Trump doesn't care for other people. He only cares that he gets attention and looks like he is doing some good. The guy is a conman and no rational person believes Trump is doing anything for others. prove he's doing one good thing for disaster relief.
Unfortunately, many areas have had trouble getting aid or rescue support from FEMA. Even the link you provided points out that residents think the government was not prepared.
There are many rural areas that have limited access, and storms have wiped out bridges. But FEMA is doing an excellent job according to governors and mayors. Maybe your criminal candidate can fly over those areas and drop rolls of paper towels.
Your thread title is literally
"Trump using hurricane Helene devastation for political aims, lies about the administration"
with a poll asking, "Will the hurricane damage affect the election?"
Then you wax on about "disinformation" like you know what's going on, just to parrot smear against Trump.
And you have the audacity to criticize me for replying and answering your thread, which is about the political ramifications of the candidates responses to the disaster? Perhaps you are the one who has no place in politics.
Right wing disinformation has been following Trump's lies. You seem to be one of those folks who gets duped by right wing disinformation, and that is your problem. Maybe you should ponder what media you use before you post in an open forum with well informed members. Haven't you noticed how others point out your false claims and beliefs? Are you that brainwashed?
I'm sorry but there is no good reason for Harris to not go earlier - it's not a good move for her politically to wait and delay her response to an emergency of that magnitude. She's too slow to physically go to areas of the U.S. affected by crises. Who is advising the Harris campaign that they didn't immediately tell her she needed to show a strong support for the affected?
What purpose is there for ger to go? Her looking at damage isn't going to have any more affect that you looking at it. There are experts at FEMA who do the assessments and send aid where it's needed. Governors and presidends showing up tends to be photo ops, and that's about it. And as governors and mayors know, when a president or candidate does anywhere there are dozens of staff and security, and hundreds of press. That is what they are trying to avoid, and you comvletely oblivious to that reality. The staying away means the workers can focus all the resources on rescue and recovery. Your statements reveal you are clueless about this, and you should be ashamed to repeat disinformation.
This is so basic that either they were caught sleeping or they didn't care.
Them staying away shows they DO care. Trump didn't. We will see if any of the money they raise will go to anyone is need, or if they give it to Trump.
And Harris has to deal with the hard questions: Why wasn't there a greater response in North Carolina?
Who says there wasn't? Right wing disinformation out to fool you? And you got fooled? Try quoting the governor or any of the mayors saying this.
What about funds that went to illegal immigrants or overseas wars that could've potentially gone to help in North Carolina?
There's a right wing lie right there. How embarrassing that you are repeating it when it's been debunked.
What are her priorities in government? That's how it is.
If you used reputable media you would be informed on this question.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It didn't help Harris that there have been problems with the FEMA response in North Carolina.

They were told not to come. :rolleyes: Who's the genius that thought ignoring North Carolina was a good idea?

What a pile of dung, but if you just get Faux News and never crosscheck the reports, yes, I can understand your ignorance as I've seen such ostrichitis many times before from the right-wing media.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Right wing disinformation has been following Trump's lies. You seem to be one of those folks who gets duped by right wing disinformation, and that is your problem. Maybe you should ponder what media you use before you post in an open forum with well informed members. Haven't you noticed how others point out your false claims and beliefs? Are you that brainwashed?

BINGO!!!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Trump poses a great danger.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
And where do we suppose that people learn to think like that? Aren't those also the ethics of the church, but targeting evil sinners rather than leftists? Look at how the three Trump SCOTUS appointees all lied about their intention to overturn Roe to get confirmed. They consider that pious fraud (they don't call it fraud, but that's what it is), which is OK.

"Pious fraud is used to describe fraud in religion or medicine. A pious fraud can be counterfeiting a miracle or falsely attributing a sacred text to a biblical figure due to the belief that the "end justifies the means", in this case the end of increasing faith by whatever means available."

Doesn't that describe the woman to whom you referred, but in a political rather than a religious context? And doesn't "any factual refutation of her claims just bounces off like a thrown ball off a wall" also describe the fervent Abrahamist?

It's not a coincidence that evangelical Christianity and MAGA are such close bedfellows and overlap so much.
Belief without evidence is what they like to call 'faith.' They are groomed from childhood or conversion to believe things without evidence based solely on unsupported but perceived authority of the words of a book or a person.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
:rolleyes: He is running for the office of President last I checked.


It didn't help Harris that there have been problems with the FEMA response in North Carolina.
Yeah, the "problems" are that people are turning away their much-needed help because Trump has been lying about them all over the place.
Trump's lies hurt people.
Trump has donated and raised money for the relief effort.
He started a GoFundMe.
They were told not to come. :rolleyes: Who's the genius that thought ignoring North Carolina was a good idea?


If showing concern for the affected area is considered to be a middle finger to the Biden-Harris administration, then the Biden-Harris administration has a serious problem. :eyes:


Unfortunately, many areas have had trouble getting aid or rescue support from FEMA. Even the link you provided points out that residents think the government was not prepared.
These are Trump lies that are hurting people.


Your thread title is literally
"Trump using hurricane Helene devastation for political aims, lies about the administration"
with a poll asking, "Will the hurricane damage affect the election?"
Then you wax on about "disinformation" like you know what's going on, just to parrot smear against Trump.
And you have the audacity to criticize me for replying and answering your thread, which is about the political ramifications of the candidates responses to the disaster? Perhaps you are the one who has no place in politics.
Trump is lying for political gain. As he often does. Including when it comes to border security bills.
I'm sorry but there is no good reason for Harris to not go earlier - it's not a good move for her politically to wait and delay her response to an emergency of that magnitude. She's too slow to physically go to areas of the U.S. affected by crises. Who is advising the Harris campaign that they didn't immediately tell her she needed to show a strong support for the affected?
The very good reason for her not to go is to not get in the way and hinder rescue efforts.
What's she going to do anyway, go throw paper towels at people, Trump-style?
This is so basic that either they were caught sleeping or they didn't care.
Nope. Trump lied and you believe him for some reason.
And Harris has to deal with the hard questions: Why wasn't there a greater response in North Carolina? What about funds that went to illegal immigrants or overseas wars that could've potentially gone to help in North Carolina? What are her priorities in government? That's how it is.
See above.

The funds did not go to illegal immigrants overseas instead. Seriously, stop believing everything Trump tells you. He constantly lies for personal gain and he doesn't care if it hurts people.
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
Then you've surely heard that he is lying about the FEMA response, and causing nothing but problems. This is why the criminal candidate is not fit to be president again.
I've heard that accusation. The problem is, the FEMA repsonse in North Carolina ranges from disappointing to outrageously insufficient.

What problems? Are you referring to right wing disinformation, because governors and mayors are saying FEMA has been excellent.
For example, when Harris talked people being able to receieve $750 in aid. She was criticized because $750 is not that much and a lot of aid has gone overseas to help, for example, Ukraine.
Another example, is when Mayorkas was quoted talking about how there is not that much aid left in FEMA to handle emergencies from hurricanes and it's clear that a large amount of FEMA aid has been used to facilitate illegal immigration into the U.S.
Then there are, of course, the horror stories, how FEMA failed to help particular people or groups high in the mountains of the North Carolina. Things like, FEMA preventing the removal of trash, or FEMA showing up in a token trailer and not doing anything to help people. I'm not sure I believe the stories that FEMA actually prevented food and water from being delivered to people, so I don't believe everything I hear, but there is plenty to hear. And that's just FEMA.
And maybe there are governors and mayors saying the response has been excellen... it benefits them poltically to try to give the impression of giving an excellent response.

One problem is that congress gave FEMA 20 million for this fiscal season, and so far in the firts 8 days of this fiscal season FEMA has had to spend 9 million. Congress will have to appropriate more money if extreme weather continues. Will republicans play games?
Who knows? It seems like congress is always playing games.

Well his campaign started a GoFundMe, and oddly Trump can claim some of that money if he claims Mara-Lago was damaged. Given the guy is a crook will it surprize anyone if he gets some of that money? No one can trust the master of fraud. Charity fraud. Business fraud. Tax fraud. Election fraud. And you want this guy to be president? That tells us a lot about you.
I think this tells us more about you actually. You've been fed a narrative about Trump and swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

There is only one ethical candidate: Harris.
I take it you reject the news that Harris plagerized a dozen sections of her criminal-justice book, Smart on Crime.
Kamala Harris’s Plagiarism Problem
Couldn't be, right? She is the "ethical candidate".

No one said ignore NC. Look at you having to exaggerate to make a fake point. Trump did not honor the wishes of the governor, and he did nothing to help. You say Trump is taking in donations, prove any of that money is going to help victims of the storms. The guy is a crook, and no one can give Trump the benefit of the doubt for any good deed.
They didn't have to say they were ignoring North Carolina, for people to notice that they didn't step up quickly and robustly enough.
Meanwhile, you just claim Trump is going to take money he raised for North Carolina relief just because you don't like Trump and not because you have any evidence of it.

Trump doesn't care for other people. He only cares that he gets attention and looks like he is doing some good. The guy is a conman and no rational person believes Trump is doing anything for others. prove he's doing one good thing for disaster relief.
Trump's Campaign Crowdfunded Millions Online in an Untraditional Approach to Emergency Relief
Trump Gives Florida Utility Workers Free Hotel Rooms for Hurricane Milton
Your claim is that it's all for show. Yet, at the end of the day, whether it's is just so that he looks good or out of genuine desire to help... Trump did, in fact, help.

There are many rural areas that have limited access, and storms have wiped out bridges. But FEMA is doing an excellent job according to governors and mayors. Maybe your criminal candidate can fly over those areas and drop rolls of paper towels.
Nah, Trump gave Elon Musk a phone call and talked to him about making sure Starlink was up and running for North Carolina, because Trump is buildinga coalition of effective people with effective ideas for his new administration.
We can leave the fly bys and toilet paper dropping to Biden and Kamala.

Right wing disinformation has been following Trump's lies. You seem to be one of those folks who gets duped by right wing disinformation, and that is your problem. Maybe you should ponder what media you use before you post in an open forum with well informed members. Haven't you noticed how others point out your false claims and beliefs? Are you that brainwashed?
I'm aware of the biases on the forum. I don't think it would be productive just to post like an echo chamber for accusations such as you are making about misinformation, especially when it seems like you may be misled yourself.

What purpose is there for ger to go? Her looking at damage isn't going to have any more affect that you looking at it. There are experts at FEMA who do the assessments and send aid where it's needed.
Because she cares. But even though she might not care at all, she is an elected Vice President seeking election for the Presiendency. So she should, at least, give the appearance of caring as a minimal effort.

Governors and presidends showing up tends to be photo ops, and that's about it. And as governors and mayors know, when a president or candidate does anywhere there are dozens of staff and security, and hundreds of press. That is what they are trying to avoid, and you comvletely oblivious to that reality. The staying away means the workers can focus all the resources on rescue and recovery. Your statements reveal you are clueless about this, and you should be ashamed to repeat disinformation.
I think perhaps you should be ashamed. Can you point to any efforts in North Carolina that were disrupted by Trump's visit?
Can you point to any disruptions caused by Kamala's or Biden's visits?
You certainly are spinning that visiting the area causes disruption to the efforts. Is that disinformation you are repeating?

Them staying away shows they DO care. Trump didn't. We will see if any of the money they raise will go to anyone is need, or if they give it to Trump.
You are entitled to your skepticism. We shall see.

Who says there wasn't? Right wing disinformation out to fool you? And you got fooled? Try quoting the governor or any of the mayors saying this.
I think you may be the fool here if you think that listening to governors and mayors tell everyone what a good job they are doing is the way to receive an unbiased take on what's happening that has no disinformation.

There's a right wing lie right there. How embarrassing that you are repeating it when it's been debunked.
It's not a lie to say that large amounts of money went to help illegal immigrants or to help in overseas wars. That's just a fact. There is nothing to debunk, both of those efforts are, by their nature, costly. You should be embarrassed to keep throwing around the word "disinformation" in such an irresponsible manner. People really do look at all the money that's been poured into these enterprises and they aren't so stupid that they don't realize that if money had been allocated differently from the beginning, then there may have been more money available to fund relief and rescue in the wake of hurricanes.

If you used reputable media you would be informed on this question.
Indeed! I hope that you also will become better informed as Kamala comes under greater pressure to articulate her priorities in government in the wake of Hurricane Helene. She has fallen a bit in the polls, and betting markets turned against her for this and other reasons. I suspect she is compelled to do more interviews in an attempt to regain support. So far, the interviews have not turned out so well for her.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I've heard that accusation. The problem is, the FEMA repsonse in North Carolina ranges from disappointing to outrageously insufficient.
Odd that the governors, like Kemp, and the mayors who were interviewed all have said FEMA is getting them what they need. Seems you are believing the liar Trump and right wing disinformation. We well informed members know better. And notice how you avoid citing your sources.

For example, when Harris talked people being able to receieve $750 in aid. She was criticized because $750 is not that much and a lot of aid has gone overseas to help, for example, Ukraine.
Disinformation. FEMA gave victims an immediate payment of $750 to cover any immediate costs. It is NOT the final payment. And Harris had no role in paying victims, it is FEMA policy. And the budget for FEMA is set by Congress and unrelated to any other aid.
Another example, is when Mayorkas was quoted talking about how there is not that much aid left in FEMA to handle emergencies from hurricanes and it's clear that a large amount of FEMA aid has been used to facilitate illegal immigration into the U.S.
Congress approved $20 million for FEMA to help victims of natural disasters. They spent $9 in the first 8 days of Helene. Congress will have to approve more aid since the hurricane seson is not over. Immigrating and migrant aid is unrelated.
Then there are, of course, the horror stories, how FEMA failed to help particular people or groups high in the mountains of the North Carolina. Things like, FEMA preventing the removal of trash, or FEMA showing up in a token trailer and not doing anything to help people. I'm not sure I believe the stories that FEMA actually prevented food and water from being delivered to people, so I don't believe everything I hear, but there is plenty to hear. And that's just FEMA.
And maybe there are governors and mayors saying the response has been excellen... it benefits them poltically to try to give the impression of giving an excellent response.
The hurricane washed out roads and bridges, so rying to access remote areas in mountains has been a problem.

Since you don't post the disinformation you read I can't point out how your sources are biased.
Who knows? It seems like congress is always playing games.
MAGAs are not dedicated to public service.
I think this tells us more about you actually. You've been fed a narrative about Trump and swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
Odd how we can all see Trump decline mentally. And see the evidence of his crimes and understand those behaviors are inacceptable. But not you MAGAs? You think it's ok to support a criminal candidate who is mentally declining? No rational mind can vote for Trump.
I take it you reject the news that Harris plagerized a dozen sections of her criminal-justice book, Smart on Crime.
Kamala Harris’s Plagiarism Problem
Couldn't be, right? She is the "ethical candidate".
Unreliable and biased source. Find better information.
They didn't have to say they were ignoring North Carolina, for people to notice that they didn't step up quickly and robustly enough.
Meanwhile, you just claim Trump is going to take money he raised for North Carolina relief just because you don't like Trump and not because you have any evidence of it.
No doubt you can find people who will not be happy regardless of the response. Anecdotal claims are not going to tell the whole story. Governors and mayors are happy with the recovery efforts.
Trump's Campaign Crowdfunded Millions Online in an Untraditional Approach to Emergency Relief
Trump Gives Florida Utility Workers Free Hotel Rooms for Hurricane Milton
Your claim is that it's all for show. Yet, at the end of the day, whether it's is just so that he looks good or out of genuine desire to help... Trump did, in fact, help.
Where is the money going? Let's see the data on that. We know Trump is a conman and excellent at setting up scams for his gullible followers. Did you give money to him?
Nah, Trump gave Elon Musk a phone call and talked to him about making sure Starlink was up and running for North Carolina, because Trump is buildinga coalition of effective people with effective ideas for his new administration.
We can leave the fly bys and toilet paper dropping to Biden and Kamala.
Wouldn't Musk do it for victims anyway? Is Musk such a jerk that he would only do it because Trump asked him?
I'm aware of the biases on the forum.
Just not your own, and other users of right wing disinformation.
I don't think it would be productive just to post like an echo chamber for accusations such as you are making about misinformation, especially when it seems like you may be misled yourself.
There is reputable media, and well informed and rational minds use it, and avoid biased media. We can tell quickly who uses poor quality media, and you are one of them. If you want to be taken seriously be well informed with reputable media.
I think perhaps you should be ashamed. Can you point to any efforts in North Carolina that were disrupted by Trump's visit?
Does it matter? The fact is the candidates were asked not to come to the disaster areas and he was the only one who ignored it so he could get attention. If only one person suffered because he was selfish that enough for him to be unfit for office.
Can you point to any disruptions caused by Kamala's or Biden's visits?
You certainly are spinning that visiting the area causes disruption to the efforts. Is that disinformation you are repeating?
They stayed away. Biden flew over the disaster area in a helocopter to access the damage. FEMA experts do the assessment work anyway.
You are entitled to your skepticism. We shall see.
Not if Trump gets elected. There will surely be serious crackdown on anyone in any forums that don't support the criminal candidate. He can't be trusted.
I think you may be the fool here if you think that listening to governors and mayors tell everyone what a good job they are doing is the way to receive an unbiased take on what's happening that has no disinformation.
Sorry, they see them on video. Your disinformation media must not show it.
It's not a lie to say that large amounts of money went to help illegal immigrants or to help in overseas wars. That's just a fact.
Yup, both democrats and republicans support these measures. They follow the existing immigration laws. You got a problem with that?
There is nothing to debunk, both of those efforts are, by their nature, costly. You should be embarrassed to keep throwing around the word "disinformation" in such an irresponsible manner. People really do look at all the money that's been poured into these enterprises and they aren't so stupid that they don't realize that if money had been allocated differently from the beginning, then there may have been more money available to fund relief and rescue in the wake of hurricanes.
You MAGAs seem poorly informed about global politics and how we support governments that are fighting to maintain their democracies. Too bad you vote from such poorly informed minds.
Indeed! I hope that you also will become better informed as Kamala comes under greater pressure to articulate her priorities in government in the wake of Hurricane Helene. She has fallen a bit in the polls, and betting markets turned against her for this and other reasons. I suspect she is compelled to do more interviews in an attempt to regain support. So far, the interviews have not turned out so well for her.
She is the only stable candidate running. Is she perfect? No, far from it. But she offers the best chance for America to continue economic growth and social liberties. Once Trump is gone lets hope republicans can get their act together.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Let's face the reality that the MAGAs simply don't care much for objective evidence and facts but "In Trump We Trust".
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
Odd that the governors, like Kemp, and the mayors who were interviewed all have said FEMA is getting them what they need.
Odd, Kemp is governor of Georgia not North Carolina.

We well informed members know better.
Apparently not.

Disinformation. FEMA gave victims an immediate payment of $750 to cover any immediate costs. It is NOT the final payment. And Harris had no role in paying victims, it is FEMA policy. And the budget for FEMA is set by Congress and unrelated to any other aid.
It's really a good idea that they aren't now going to stop at $750 to cover immediate costs. Kamala's announcement that it was just going to be $750 was not well received. She needed to do better at responding to the people and addressing their needs.

Congress approved $20 million for FEMA to help victims of natural disasters. They spent $9 in the first 8 days of Helene. Congress will have to approve more aid since the hurricane seson is not over. Immigrating and migrant aid is unrelated.
It Is Time to Stop Allocating FEMA Funding to Illegal Immigrants
But what makes this Biden-Harris botched response unique—and particularly outrageous—is that the same administration claiming it doesn’t have enough money to support suffering Americans appropriated $1.6 billion dollars in FEMA funds to assist illegal aliens since October 2021.

The die was cast in the Fiscal Year 2022 appropriations bill, when Congress added $150 million for FEMA to provide “shelter and other services to families and individuals encountered by” DHS.

This error was then compounded in appropriations for FY 2023 and 2024 when Congress ordered U.S. Customs and Border Protection to hand over $800 million and $650 million, respectively, to FEMA’s newly branded “Shelter and Services Program.”

Biden and Border Czar Harris didn't prioritize these funds for Americans suffering from natural disasters. Rather, they distributed them to organizations assisting illegal aliens encountered by DHS, by, for example, purchasing nearly 14,000 hotel rooms for illegal aliens in New York City over the past two years.
These are all allocations that took place under the Biden-Harris administration.

The hurricane washed out roads and bridges, so rying to access remote areas in mountains has been a problem.

Since you don't post the disinformation you read I can't point out how your sources are biased.
Here is an interesting video for you to respond to:
FEMA is not out here helping The media is lying

Odd how we can all see Trump decline mentally. And see the evidence of his crimes and understand those behaviors are inacceptable. But not you MAGAs? You think it's ok to support a criminal candidate who is mentally declining? No rational mind can vote for Trump.
Meanwhile in the land of sanity... Trump is collecting a solid team of people who support him such as RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Elon Musk.
Who does Kamala have on her team? She is a continuation of the Biden administration, which no rational mind can support. The honeymoon is over.

Unreliable and biased source. Find better information.
Do you deny that your "ethical candidate", Kamala, is a plagiarist? They quoted excerpts of the plagiarism. Debunk it if you disbelieve it.

No doubt you can find people who will not be happy regardless of the response. Anecdotal claims are not going to tell the whole story. Governors and mayors are happy with the recovery efforts.
Sure and governors and mayors aren't going to tell the whole story either.

Where is the money going? Let's see the data on that. We know Trump is a conman and excellent at setting up scams for his gullible followers. Did you give money to him?
Money has gone to Samaritan's Purse, Water Mission, and Mtn2Sea Ministries... I think it's on you to provide evidence of scamming.
Meanwhile, what did Kamala do?

Wouldn't Musk do it for victims anyway? Is Musk such a jerk that he would only do it because Trump asked him?
I'll leave this little anecdote from Elon for you to ponder...
The level of belligerent government incompetence is staggering!!

Just not your own, and other users of right wing disinformation.
Perhaps you call everything disinformation that you don't understand.

There is reputable media, and well informed and rational minds use it, and avoid biased media. We can tell quickly who uses poor quality media, and you are one of them. If you want to be taken seriously be well informed with reputable media.
Perhaps you are in a disinformation silo and that's why your information is so bad that you are reduced to guessing games about the media I consume.

Does it matter? The fact is the candidates were asked not to come to the disaster areas and he was the only one who ignored it so he could get attention. If only one person suffered because he was selfish that enough for him to be unfit for office.
Yes, it matters. You've been waxing on and waxing off about disinformation. And I'm correcting you on it: rescue and relief efforts were not disrupted because of Trump, Kamala, or Biden. Please stop spreading disinformation.
They stayed away. Biden flew over the disaster area in a helocopter to access the damage. FEMA experts do the assessment work anyway.
And no rescue or relief efforts were disrupted because of Trump, Kamala, or Biden. So stop the lies.

Not if Trump gets elected. There will surely be serious crackdown on anyone in any forums that don't support the criminal candidate. He can't be trusted.
LoL, what? Have you lost your mind? You think there is going to be a "crackdown" on this forum because you say bad things about Trump?

Yup, both democrats and republicans support these measures. They follow the existing immigration laws. You got a problem with that?
I think it is a problem worth examining. Many people are upset about it.

You MAGAs seem poorly informed about global politics and how we support governments that are fighting to maintain their democracies. Too bad you vote from such poorly informed minds.
It's a distraction from the thread topic... but since you are so "informed"... How do you think the U.S. support for Ukraine has played out? Good or Bad?

She is the only stable candidate running. Is she perfect? No, far from it. But she offers the best chance for America to continue economic growth and social liberties. Once Trump is gone lets hope republicans can get their act together.
The Biden-Harris economy isn't as stable as it needs to be to support economic growth. The censorship and covid mandates of the Biden-Harris adminstration were unnecessary restrictions on social liberties. Inflation and debt are major problems the Biden-Harris administration helped create and failed to solve. The economy is a major reason to vote Trump, because his four years were more stable and gave better economic growth for the U.S.

I think the movement of many voters away from the Democrat party and towards the Republican party are due to the strong coalition of competent people that have joined the Trump camp. People understand that they aren't just voting for Kamala or Trump. They are voting between the machine currently running the Biden administration and the inspirations of the many people in the Trump camp that want to make America great.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Odd, Kemp is governor of Georgia not North Carolina.


Apparently not.


It's really a good idea that they aren't now going to stop at $750 to cover immediate costs. Kamala's announcement that it was just going to be $750 was not well received. She needed to do better at responding to the people and addressing their needs.


It Is Time to Stop Allocating FEMA Funding to Illegal Immigrants

These are all allocations that took place under the Biden-Harris administration.


Here is an interesting video for you to respond to:
FEMA is not out here helping The media is lying


Meanwhile in the land of sanity... Trump is collecting a solid team of people who support him such as RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Elon Musk.
Who does Kamala have on her team? She is a continuation of the Biden administration, which no rational mind can support. The honeymoon is over.


Do you deny that your "ethical candidate", Kamala, is a plagiarist? They quoted excerpts of the plagiarism. Debunk it if you disbelieve it.


Sure and governors and mayors aren't going to tell the whole story either.


Money has gone to Samaritan's Purse, Water Mission, and Mtn2Sea Ministries... I think it's on you to provide evidence of scamming.
Meanwhile, what did Kamala do?


I'll leave this little anecdote from Elon for you to ponder...
The level of belligerent government incompetence is staggering!!


Perhaps you call everything disinformation that you don't understand.


Perhaps you are in a disinformation silo and that's why your information is so bad that you are reduced to guessing games about the media I consume.


Yes, it matters. You've been waxing on and waxing off about disinformation. And I'm correcting you on it: rescue and relief efforts were not disrupted because of Trump, Kamala, or Biden. Please stop spreading disinformation.

And no rescue or relief efforts were disrupted because of Trump, Kamala, or Biden. So stop the lies.


LoL, what? Have you lost your mind? You think there is going to be a "crackdown" on this forum because you say bad things about Trump?


I think it is a problem worth examining. Many people are upset about it.


It's a distraction from the thread topic... but since you are so "informed"... How do you think the U.S. support for Ukraine has played out? Good or Bad?


The Biden-Harris economy isn't as stable as it needs to be to support economic growth. The censorship and covid mandates of the Biden-Harris adminstration were unnecessary restrictions on social liberties. Inflation and debt are major problems the Biden-Harris administration helped create and failed to solve. The economy is a major reason to vote Trump, because his four years were more stable and gave better economic growth for the U.S.

I think the movement of many voters away from the Democrat party and towards the Republican party are due to the strong coalition of competent people that have joined the Trump camp. People understand that they aren't just voting for Kamala or Trump. They are voting between the machine currently running the Biden administration and the inspirations of the many people in the Trump camp that want to make America great.
Your sources of "news" are extremely poor. Which is why the "information" in them is heavily biased and inaccurate.
Elon Musk and the Heritage Foundation? Come on. Get serious.
 

Tomef

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Once again Trump is trying to use a natural disaster for political advantage. His history as president illustrates that he is very bad at managing emergencies, namely the pandemic response. He has had someone set up a GoFundMe for victims, and we will see if that money actually goes to help anyone. What is disturbing is that he is lying about what the administration is doing, which will surely end up in far right media, and in the ears of the gullible.

Two of the states impacted are Georgia and North Carolina, and Trump may be trying to influence the election by spreading disinformation and appearing to be a helpful person in the recovery. Trump visited Georgia while Harris has opted to stay away from the storm damaged areeas to not take away the resources needed for recovery.

It's certain that how well the Biden administration responds to this disaster will influence how voters feel they are being helped. With only about 5 weeks before the election It's hard to imagine many of these areas will be functional and residents back at home. Thus far there has been positive feedback about the FEMA response, but as we know disinformation spreads quickly. How effectice will Trump's lies be against the help the administration delivers?




One of the main motivations for Trump voters, reluctant or otherwise, is that general living costs were lower 2016-2020. It seems to be only a small minority of die-hard fans that try to explain away his behaviour.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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Let's face the reality that the MAGAs simply don't care much for objective evidence and facts but "In Trump We Trust".
There's often a price to pay for that, and I think that's appropriate. Unfortunately, MAGAs won't be the only ones paying it.
Yeah, the "problems" are that people are turning away their much-needed help because Trump has been lying about them all over the place.
Trump's lies hurt people.
There's some of that price that such people must pay. Unfortunately, many if not most of Trumps lies hurt people who know better that to listen to or trust him, like the Haitians in Springfield, OH.

Should I feel more empathy for MAGA duped by Trump, like the J6 insurrectionists or people like Giuliani?

Jan. 6 rioter who attacked police: I was ‘duped’ by Trump’s lies

"Bell, according to her defense team, believed it was “her civil and patriotic duty to answer Trump’s call” on Jan. 6. But they say she has now seen the light. In a psychiatric evaluation her lawyer filed in court, a doctor said Bell now realizes she was “duped” by “President Donald Trump’s lies and manipulation” and “has also come to realize former President Trump did lose the 2020 election and he has used all of his followers including herself for his own gain."

That sounds like somebody who deserves a little empathy, but she said this at her sentencing, where it was in her interest to shift as much of the blame to Trump as possible. She believes a man who lies whenever his lips are moving and who has no scruples whatsoever. Should she be held not just legally, but also morally responsible for that decision?

Have you seen this from 2017: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/05/us/undocumented-husband-deported/index.html (Undocumented husband of Indiana Trump supporter deported to Mexico)

"Roberto Beristain, 44, was deported back to Mexico despite having no criminal record, family attorney Adam Ansari said. “He hadn’t committed any crimes. He didn’t even have a parking ticket,” Ansari said. “From everyone’s accounts he is probably one of the most lovable guys you will ever meet. He is a loving husband and father. And he put a lot of work into his restaurant.”

How should we feel about this woman? I fee empathy for her husband, but how about her? She knew what a bigot Trump was and how he was targeting illegal immigrants while campaigning, calling them criminal and infected. Then she voted for him anyway, and her husband was whisked away. As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

How about all of the people who died needlessly during the pandemic because Trump poo-poohed masking and vaccine mandates. From https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/30/...skepticism-partner-kff-health-news/index.html

"on at least 17 occasions this year, Trump has promised to cut funding to schools that mandate vaccines. Campaign spokespeople have previously said that pledge would apply only to schools with covid mandates. But speeches reviewed by KFF Health News included no such distinction — raising the possibility Trump would also target vaccination rules for common, potentially lethal childhood diseases like polio and measles."

How many people that were eligible for vaccination refused it because of Trump and paid the ultimate price? Pretty much everybody who died unvaccinated after vaccines were available. The deaths were concentrated in that cohort. How should I feel about them? I feel for the people they hurt by dying such as their minor children and people who loved them, but what about the dead? Surely some were likeable people who just weren't smart enough to survive, but should they be held morally responsible for trusting that man?
 
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