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Trump Wants Jail Time for Flag Burners

C

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yawn <ignore> yawn
Revoltingest said:
Hoo boy....did you miss the point.
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Hoo boy, did you miss my point. I didn't refer to flag burning, much less Clinton, or even Trump. I was referring to Trump supporters who are still trying to minimize or justify Trumps statements by changing the subject to the loser of a recent campaign.

You hadn't noticed that we've been opposing Trump's desire to illegalize flag burning?
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So who was Trump pandering to? Clinton supporters?
The only skill Trump seems to have is playing to his base.
No.....the problem is that Hillary also wanted to do the same, & she didn't just "tweet"
this agenda....she actually introduced legislation for it.
She's not the civil libertarian that her supporters believe.
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Hillary who?
Tom
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
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What an idiot. He can't do **** about it, since it's protected by the First Amendment and the Supreme Court has upheld it as protected speech. Plus, burning the flag is actually the proper way to dispose of a worn out one.
 
Kirran

Kirran

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Godobeyer said:
Yes, I think it's about loyality to country.

I don't know why losing politic elections should mix/link with flag of country!
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I think it's a pretty messed up violation of free speech to ban it. You don't owe your state loyalty, it governs at your behest.

The British flag represents the British state. The British state has and continues to manipulate Middle Eastern geopolitics for its own gain, and cause suffering in the region as a result. So I think burning the British flag in protest of that is totally legitimate.
 
Sultan Of Swing

Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
Kirran said:
I think it's a pretty messed up violation of free speech to ban it. You don't owe your state loyalty, it governs at your behest.

The British flag represents the British state. The British state has and continues to manipulate Middle Eastern geopolitics for its own gain, and cause suffering in the region as a result. So I think burning the British flag in protest of that is totally legitimate.
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Sure, it's one way to protest, if not very controversial and I'm not sure how you'd get people sympathising with your cause when they see their flag burned. The question really is does the flag represent the government, or the people, etc.
 
Kirran

Kirran

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Sultan Of Swing said:
Sure, it's one way to protest, if not very controversial and I'm not sure how you'd get people sympathising with your cause when they see their flag burned. The question really is does the flag represent the government, or the people, etc.
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You know, my friend from Galicia said that during anti-government protests in Spain they burn the Spanish flag. In anti-government protests in Brazil (he's there a lot too) they wave the Brazilian flag. Because in Spain it's the government, in Brazil it's the people.

Regardless, I think criminalising flag desecration is a barbarous practice.
 
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yawn <ignore> yawn
Godobeyer said:
Yes, I think it's about loyality to country.

I don't know why losing politic elections should mix/link with flag of country!
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The culture here is different. We distinguish between the country and symbols for the country, like colored fabric flags.
When the country does something despicable, which mine does a lot, burning the symbol in protest often means supporting the fundamentals, and not whatever the government just did.

It's not necessarily a different attitude towards the country, but a different attitude towards the government. We are not Muslims. Muslims tend to be more respectful of human authority than westerners.
Tom
 
Mister_T

Mister_T

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I'm sure all of those Constitution loving patriots will be denouncing this, just like when they were foaming at the mouth over Obama The Constitution-Hating Super Kenyan. Teabags on their heads and glorious marches across the nation to protect the Constitution they so love....any day now.
 
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Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
4consideration said:
I don't think it should be illegal, even though I think it's a crappy thing to do.

BTW, Hillary Clinton cosponsored a bill in 2005 that provided for both fines and jail time for various offenses involving damage/destruction/burning of the flag. The Flag Protection Act of 2005. It did not become law.

If anything, I'm horrified to see Trump thinking like Clinton on the issue.

Bill text: https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/1911/text
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(Page down to see Clinton listed as one of the co-sponsors of the bill.) https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/1911/all-info
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Yep. She was wrong on that which is why I'm glad it never saw the light of day.....
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Revoltingest said:
And since Hillary wanted the same, perhaps popular with her supporters too, eh.
Be aware that most Trump voters I know don't trust him.
We just trusted Hillary to be even worse.
She didn't just vote for the bill which would put burners in
jail for a year, with a $100,000 fine....she introduced it.
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I don't and didn't at the time. In fact....no one I knew supported this bill. We all thought the matter had been dealt with prior to her introducing it.
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Sultan Of Swing said:
So was Hillary also inept on the Constitution and SCOTUS when she co-sponsored a bill to do the same? (And no, this isn't supposed to excuse Trump)
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I expect that it was during the lead up to the crime against humanity known generally as "Bush Invasion of Iraq". Back when Republicans ran every branch of government and supporting Republican plans was "bipartisan" .
But I don't know and don't care because

CLINTON LOST THE ELECTION! GET OVER IT!

Tom
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
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4consideration said:
I don't think it should be illegal, even though I think it's a crappy thing to do.

BTW, Hillary Clinton cosponsored a bill in 2005 that provided for both fines and jail time for various offenses involving damage/destruction/burning of the flag. The Flag Protection Act of 2005. It did not become law.

If anything, I'm horrified to see Trump thinking like Clinton on the issue.

Bill text: https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/1911/text
(edited link to present link to correct version)

(Page down to see Clinton listed as one of the co-sponsors of the bill.) https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/1911/all-info
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I think the time has long since passed for comparing Trump to Hillary Clinton. That ship has sailed. Donald has to be judged on his words and his actions alone. We are no longer grading on a curve.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
fantome profane said:
I think the time has long since passed for comparing Trump to Hillary Clinton. That ship has sailed. Donald has to be judged on his words and his actions alone. We are no longer grading on a curve.
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For some reason I don't think that's going to stop some people from trying......
 
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