I support your right to burn your middle finger.
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Trump Wants Jail Time for Flag Burners
- Thread starter Quetzal
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But we must draw the line at him burning other people's.
Also, for those who are drawing apples to apples comparison between Trump and Hillary on the issue, it is worth mentioning the full context of the FPA of 2005:
"The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism."
Source.
"The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism."
Source.
That still smells like a pretext to silence us.
.....or an empty gesture aimed at constitutionally ignorant patriots.
It's Hillary.
Take your pick.
Also worth noting the primary sponsor was a Republican from Utah, so let's spread the blame around a bit.
Edit: Not an excuse on her behalf, just adding context to the discussion.
I do like spreading around blame.
Both parties have free speech problems.
Look how slowly they both come around on civil rights issues. Progressive is just another denomination.
Parchment
Active Member
One of the ways to properly dispose of an old U.S. flag is to burn it so it would make no sense to make it a crime solely based on the intent of the flag burner. If a protester buys the flag and pays for the gas and matches then they should be able to burn as many as they want to but that doesn't mean that I can't laugh at them if they set themselves on fire in the process.
esmith
Veteran Member
They paid the ultimate sacrifice for defending what the U.S. flag represents.
Maybe that doesn't make sense to you but those of us who have served understand it.
And even just what is "progressive" can be bitterly argued.
Even I think I am.
And even just what is "progressive" can be bitterly argued.
Even I think I am.
Well there are veterans who burn flags as well.
And, honestly, there's service other than military service.
esmith
Veteran Member
Just set the record straight Hillary did not put for the idea that the act of burning the flag should be illegal, she put forth the idea that if one burns the flag and the action of doing so brings about criminal activity that person should be prosecuted.
Yes you are right the properly dispose of a flag is set forth here as one method
1. The flag should be folded in its customary manner.
2. It is important that the fire be fairly large and of sufficient intensity to ensure complete burning of the flag.
3. Place the flag on the fire.
4. The individual(s) can come to attention, salute the flag, recite the Pledge of Allegiance and have a brief period of silent reflection.
5. After the flag is completely consumed, the fire should then be safely extinguished and the ashes buried.
The retiring of the flag is done in a "respectful" manner. Therefore ******** that are burning the flag in protest are not "respectful"
esmith
Veteran Member
Yeah and I have no use for them either.
And they also have given their lives in service to the country.
Right. The symbology is still the same. I will go on record to say that I find the burning of the flag distasteful. But, as we have already discussed, others are free to think and act in other ways.
Well it's not like I don't respect the service you've rendered.
But I think that among other things, the flag represents the state. And if the state is doing bad stuff, burn the flag. If a state murders people, if a state denies people's rights, if a state disenfranchises segments of its population, then I don't see that burning its flag is not a legitimate act of protest.
I remain confused by it, but I suspect I've simply had the devlepment of attachment to a national flag pass me by (I did grow up in a somewhat unusual situation in which the environment was dominated by a strong patriotism which was unavailable to me by dint of ethnicity!) - I see those protests by various athletes who didn't stand up for the national anthem in response to unpunished endemic racism in the police force as perfectly sound. But it depends what you see national symbols like flags and anthems as representing, I guess.
Perfectly fair, I think the reasoning behind the protest action is question is important to the discussion. The US is a very nationalistic country. That is why I do not find it terribly surprising to see push back when these protests occur.
I feel like burning a flag.
