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Trump Wants Jail Time for Flag Burners

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
They paid the ultimate sacrifice for defending what the U.S. flag represents.
Maybe that doesn't make sense to you but those of us who have served understand it.
If the flag stands for freedom, then what about the Government taking away your freedoms? Isn't that akin to the Government metaphorically burning (or at least blaspheming) the flag? I suppose that committing the blasphemy of flag burning whilst wearing a Trump or Hillary mask might be needed to get the point across?
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Perfectly fair, I think the reasoning behind the protest action is question is important to the discussion. The US is a very nationalistic country. That is why I do not find it terribly surprising to see push back when these protests occur.

Yes, very important!

Yes, it does seem that way. The whole 'civic religion' thing. I think most people in the UK would be bothered much more than me by the burning of the British flag, or that of their respective subdivision, than I would though.

Burning a Welsh flag in Wales might be a bad idea :p
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
If the flag stands for freedom, then what about the Government taking away your freedoms? Isn't that akin to the Government metaphorically burning (or at least blaspheming) the flag? I suppose that committing the blasphemy of flag burning whilst wearing a Trump or Hillary mask might be needed to get the point across?
Actually, I think there might be a market for Trump-Clinton Janus-style two faced masks! Go-go entrepreneurs!
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
The burning of the flag (being an exercise in first amendment) trumps whatever national pride there is around a SYMBOL of freedom. Thank God this is the case.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
then tell me these ******** have a right to desecrate what those men and women died for.
Whoa, sounds sincere and all, but these soldiers didn't die for a flag.

Oath of Enlistment said:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend t he Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

They died defending the Constitution, including the first amendment. They died so we would have the freedom to burn the US Flag.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
The burning of the flag (being an exercise in first amendment) trumps whatever national pride there is around a SYMBOL of freedom. Thank God this is the case.
So, are you agreeing that Trump is an anti-freedom ignoramus? Posting what he did?
Tom
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
So, are you agreeing that Trump is an anti-freedom ignoramus? Posting what he did?
Tom

Maybe..but I think its all a deflection from his other scandals and him filling the swamp instead of draining it.

("These aren't the droids you're looking for..")
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I don't think that people should go to jail for it. But, in other thoughts, I find it odd that Trump has this fetish for tweeting and is he going to tweet every thought he has when he's President? :anguished:
 

habiru

Active Member


Source.

Thoughts? Ideas? Justifications? Let's hear them!
If no one has respect for the laws, then they should be deported eventhough that if they were citizens. Exile them to another country like Mexico. But I heard a lot of people claiming that they wants to move to Canada, but some Canadians doesn't want them to come. But why has none of them have said that they will move to Mexico? But if they refuse to be exiled, then shoot them.


Napoleon Exiled to St. Helena, 1815 http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/napoleon.htm
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
If no one has respect for the laws, then they should be deported eventhough that if they were citizens. Exile them to another country like Mexico. But I heard a lot of people claiming that they wants to move to Canada, but some Canadians doesn't want them to come. But why has none of them have said that they will move to Mexico? But if they refuse to be exiled, then shoot them.


Napoleon Exiled to St. Helena, 1815 http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/napoleon.htm
Since flag burning is protected speech under the law, does this mean you think Trump should be deported and exiled because he doesn't respect this law?
 

habiru

Active Member
Since flag burning is protected speech under the law, does this mean you think Trump should be deported and exiled because he doesn't respect this law?
I think that they need a permit and a proper area to burn it. And if they burn anything on a no burn day, then that is an another criminal offense. And so if they doesn't respect the laws of the land, then exile them.

Is Flag Burning Illegal?
Written by S. Danilina and Fact Checked by The Law Dictionary Staff

Currently, flag burning is not illegal in the United States. The Supreme Court of the United States in its decision from 1969 has ruled that the burning of the flag is protected by the First Amendment. However, the person who burnt the flag can be found guilty of a misdemeanor for starting a fire without a permit.



Law Dictionary: Is Flag Burning Illegal?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The Supreme Court of the United States in its decision from 1969 has ruled that the burning of the flag is protected by the First Amendment. However, the person who burnt the flag can be found guilty of a misdemeanor for starting a fire without a permit.
There is potential for mischief here.
The USSC has ruled that for misdemeanors, government can waive the right to a jury trial (Petty Offense Doctrine). The accused can be tried by an appointed (rather than elected) judge. In a climate of hyper-patriotism, there's potential for abuse by politicians.
Am I being paranoid?
Ask all the Democrats who think Trump is Hitler.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
I think that they need a permit and a proper area to burn it. And if they burn anything on a no burn day, then that is an another criminal offense. And so if they doesn't respect the laws of the land, then exile them.

Is Flag Burning Illegal?
Written by S. Danilina and Fact Checked by The Law Dictionary Staff

Currently, flag burning is not illegal in the United States. The Supreme Court of the United States in its decision from 1969 has ruled that the burning of the flag is protected by the First Amendment. However, the person who burnt the flag can be found guilty of a misdemeanor for starting a fire without a permit.



Law Dictionary: Is Flag Burning Illegal?
Although rare, it is possible for a naturalized U.S. citizen to have his or her citizenship stripped through a process called "denaturalization." Former citizens who are denaturalized are subject to removal (deportation) from the United States. Natural-born U.S. citizens may not have their citizenship revoked against their will, but may choose to renounce their citizenship on their own.

More here:
http://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
So, are you agreeing that Trump is an anti-freedom ignoramus? Posting what he did?

Not really. I generally refrain from making it about the person. It's a policy we disagree on, and as others have said, won't go over well in a place where freedom (based on Amendment #1) is cherished. Surely he can try to make it a policy, and surely people will continue to burn flags as an act of freedom, which others will find disheartening or offensive.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Would it be possible to enact something on the order of not allowing someone to yell "fire" in a theater?
The nation is divided down very understandable lines and if by burning the flag in public incites a reaction that is not conducive to order could not the person burning the flag be held responsible?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Would it be possible to enact something on the order of not allowing someone to yell "fire" in a theater?
The nation is divided down very understandable lines and if by burning the flag in public incites a reaction that is not conducive to order could not the person burning the flag be held responsible?
 
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