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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
So when are things actually going to improve? For now it is a disaster. I hate it that I am being forced to pay high prices for nothing.
As long as we keep a for-profit system to deal with our medical care, and we are the only country in the world that does it this way, it probably will not improve but continue to gradually get worse. There's lots of investment money involved, and money talks. And since unions are now very weak, companies pretty much have you at their mercy-- except profits are more important to them than mercy.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
As long as we keep a for-profit system to deal with our medical care, and we are the only country in the world that does it this way, it probably will not improve but continue to gradually get worse. There's lots of investment money involved, and money talks. And since unions are now very weak, companies pretty much have you at their mercy-- except profits are more important to them than mercy.
I couldn't agree with you more Metis. Personally I am tired of being a pawn in these political games.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Donald Trump is speaking and saying what at least 56% + of Americans are actually thinking.
From my experience, this could not be further from the truth. But, I am interested in looking into your source to see where you are getting this from. Can you provide that source please?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I am sick of hearing the lie that "climate change" is the worlds greatest threat. It is a hoax and I will not debate it.

Good to have people with open minds on here who are willing to read and understand the scientific evidence before making a decision. Then be willing to change their mind as more evidence becomes available.
With the latest agreement in Paris, it seems that 200+ countries disagree with you.
 

Adramelek

Setian
Premium Member
With the latest agreement in Paris, it seems that 200+ countries disagree with you.

Oh my gawd, your right, how could millions of people be wrong? Then again, millions of people used to think the sun revolved around the Earth. :confused:
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So when are things actually going to improve? For now it is a disaster. I hate it that I am being forced to pay high prices for nothing.
It's gotten much better on my end. I was finally able to get insurance that covered a much needed knee surgery, and I don't have to worry about having the money to be able to afford to see the doctor, and I'm no longer having to ask my sister to do something technically illegal by prescribing me anti-biotics when I am sick without actually having seen her as a patient (given the situation and that it's family, doctors tend to let that one slide). Overall, more people have insurance, costs are going down, no one can be denied over pre-existing conditions, and we even have a website that allows us to look up our doctors to see what pharmaceutical companies are paying them.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Oh my gawd, your right, how could millions of people be wrong? Then again, millions of people used to think the sun revolved around the Earth. :confused:
We're not talking about regular people, but legions of scientists who study the data and nearly unanimously agree that global warming is happening and it does pose a serious threat.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Funny you should say that. I was better off financially during his presidency and my health care was more affordable and actually covered something. Unlike now.

That's interesting, because during his presidency, I would be considered someone with a pre-existing condition, and thus, automatically disqualified from any health insurance, regardless of my ability to pay for insurance.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
That's interesting, because during his presidency, I would be considered someone with a pre-existing condition, and thus, automatically disqualified from any health insurance, regardless of my ability to pay for insurance.
I understand. I was just speaking of myself personally.
 

Agathion

the Minister
I am definitely going to vote for Trump. Its about damn time we got a president who gets s*** done, does not take s***, and will stand up for the little guy. Obama is by far the worst president we ever hand. At this point i am so tired of incompetent leadership that i would gladly give even a dictator like Putin a try. Anything is better then Obama at this point. Give me real leadership, i don't care what form it takes.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I understand. I was just speaking of myself personally.

I feel your pain. I pay way too much in health insurance, and it basically feels like I've gotten absolutely no closure to even getting treatment. Dealing with medical issues may be the most bureaucratic thing I can imagine.

So, I hope ACA is eventually replaced. But I prefer it indefinitely over the what existed before, which was essentially not much, at least for many people.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I am definitely going to vote for Trump. Its about damn time we got a president who gets s*** done, does not take s***, and will stand up for the little guy. Obama is by far the worst president we ever hand. At this point i am so tired of incompetent leadership that i would gladly give even a dictator like Putin a try. Anything is better then Obama at this point. Give me real leadership, i don't care what form it takes.
Ya, a great many of the Germans thought the same way back in the early 1930's, and "real leadership" is what they got all right. As the old saying goes, "Be careful what you wish for".
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Obama is by far the worst president we ever hand.
He hasn't launched a war against an entire people, he hasn't arrested political opponents, he has supported segregation...people who say Obama, or even Bush, is the worst president America has had do not know history.
Its about damn time we got a president who gets s*** done, does not take s***, and will stand up for the little guy.
He hasn't said anything about standing up for the little guy (but he's mocked and attacked many of the little guys, and especially women), and just because he can do stuff in his businesses does not mean he can do much in politics. In that regard, Trump has a following similar to Obama's in that many of Obama's followers thought he would be able to do more than he could or can just because he is the president.
Bernie is the one who has focused his campaign on standing up for regular Americans, but reality is he probably won't be able to get much done himself. It's how our political system works.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I feel your pain. I pay way too much in health insurance, and it basically feels like I've gotten absolutely no closure to even getting treatment. Dealing with medical issues may be the most bureaucratic thing I can imagine.

So, I hope ACA is eventually replaced. But I prefer it indefinitely over the what existed before, which was essentially not much, at least for many people.
There are some good things in it, such as the no denial for preexisting conditions. I would like to see them modify it where they keep the good parts and get rid of the stuff that makes it not so good.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
There are some good things in it, such as the no denial for preexisting conditions. I would like to see them modify it where they keep the good parts and get rid of the stuff that makes it not so good.

I would as well. Just as an aside, it bothers me to no end that in order to qualify for subsidies, one has to sign up on the market place. I didn't want to do that because I didn't want to create a tax liability by not spending enough on the premiums. I'd rather overpay now, and look at my past and then figure out how much I overpaid, instead of guessing what my income will be for next year and and guessing what my tax benefit is suppose to be, when I have no way of nothing circumstances of the future.

Oh, I could probably write a book on how much I hate healthcare in this country. And it's not just money. Also giant wastes of time as well. IMO, a single-payer system isn't utopian, but it would quickly eliminate some of the costs, and a lot of the paperwork...
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There are some good things in it, such as the no denial for preexisting conditions. I would like to see them modify it where they keep the good parts and get rid of the stuff that makes it not so good.
I agree on that. I don't favor the idea of having to buy a private product or face any sort of penalty. Really what we need is medicare/medicaid for all, cover everyone, and have everyone pay for it because everyone goes to the doctor, and should more than they do for things like preventative care.
 
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