Trump's Complete Failure as a Business Man

[Subduction Zone]

That's where you're mistaken. All the things you think Trump did, the collusion, obstruction, and all that jazz. The Mueller report actually shows that it was the Dems doing all that illegal treasonous stuff.

So you'd be dead wrong there.

LOL! Where does the Mueller report say that? And like it or not we know that Trump broke campaign finance laws. You have nothing on Hillary or Obama. You are grasping at straws because you know how corrupt your man is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Have you read the Mueller Report for yourself? If not, you should.

He doesn't have to. Trump told him what was in it

 

[Enoch07]

Where does the Mueller report say that?

If you read it you would know.

Again you can deny here all you want.

It does not change the reality that Obama,Hillary, and the DNC are under investigation now for conspiracy and obstruction.

 

[Enoch07]

He doesn't have to. Trump told him what was in it

Nope I read it. Unlike all of you who pretend like you have.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Nope I read it. Unlike all of you who pretend like you have.

Repeated claim #73.
Times he tries to back up his claim......Nada.

 

[Enoch07]

Repeated claim #73.
Times he tries to back up his claim......Nada.

I have backed it up multiple times. But just met with denial. Just as you are doing now.

Like I say it doesn't matter if you believe me or not.

It doesn't change the fact that the DNC, Hillary, and Obama are under investigation of conspiracy and obstruction now as we speak.

But no worries I'll be here to rub it in your face and laugh at you mercilessly as you try to use apologetics to explain why they committed these crimes, once everything goes public.

Toodles

 

[columbus]

Does the president of the USA matter as much to you as private citizens?
Tom

Nope

Got it.
The country doesn't matter. It's your political party that matters.

I realize that is the common thread amongst Republicans. Party before country.

That's why, despite the fact that I often prefer the Republican position, I cannot vote for a Republican. Because I care more about the country than any political party.
Tom

 

[Enoch07]

The country doesn't matter. It's your political party that matters.

My political party is Libertarian. We care about small govt with as much personal liberty as we can get away with. That is what the U.S was founded on. So it's both I care about my country and my political party because they represent the same values one on the same.

I realize that is the common thread amongst Republicans. Party before country.

Some yes, mostly it's the lefties that are collectivist. They care more about their own than others. That why they are ok with taking away civil rights if the ends justifies the means. A common theme for tyrannical totalitarians that the left has become.

That's why, despite the fact that I often prefer the Republican position, I cannot vote for a Republican. Because I care more about the country than any political party.

Actually I've never voted Republican I think, not at the ballot box anyways, Democrat (yes I voted for Bill Clinton in my youth), Libertarian Ron Paul 2020! And Mickey Mouse protest vote for Bush Sr &Jr. And this year I have a close eye on Democratic nominee Andrew Yang, who I feel is the best Dem running atm.

 

[fantome profane]

Yes I have read it. The evidence of conspiracy and obstruction actually points to Hillary and Obama primarily.

Don't believe me.

Turn off your liberal lie media.

And go watch the uncut Senate meetings.

Why would I need to watch a Senate meeting to tell me what is in a report I read?

If you have read the report why are you basing your opinions on Senate meeting rather than the report itself?

 

[Enoch07]

Why would I need to watch a Senate meeting to tell me what is in a report I read?

If you have read the report why are you basing your opinions on Senate meeting rather than the report itself?

I'm not, I'm telling you to go watch the Senate meeting because you refuse to read a 448 page document.

Trying to make it easier on you.

 

[FragrantGrace]

One only need repeat the facts from history, and Trump's life smears him.

The man is an admitted serial sexual predator and serial adulterer. He has been convicted of multiple types of business fraud including his Trump University conviction and the multiple lawsuits he has lost or settled for failing to pay employees and contractors, not to mention the recent improprieties uncovered in what was being called a charitable organization, but turned out to be a way for Trump to funnel money.

He mocks the handicapped. He's deliberately disrespectful to political adversaries such as "Nancy" and "Little Adam Schiff." He appears to be in Putin's pocket and holds secret meetings with him. He's damaging America on the world stage. He wrested children from their mothers and puts them in cages to feed the hatreds of his base, there has been rumbling about defunding the Special Olympics, and Trump allowed Puerto Rico to languish in his indifference to brown skinned people following a devastating hurricane.

What an utterly deplorable person this is.

Trump is also a huge security risk with his unsecured phone line and secret conversations with Putin, as well as his and the Republican party's indifference to American election fraud from foreign entities. How about giving security clearances to the likes of Kushner against the advice of security professionals. These are the main dangers to US security, not ragtag caravans of powerless people seeking asylum. The invaders aren't at the southern border. They're in America's computers.

America is also at risk for having its systems hacked, which can result in banking chaos, shutting down power grids, choosing America's "elected" officials for it, air traffic disasters, American nukes tampered with, hijinx in low earth orbit (satellites), and more. It's only a matter of time if effective defenses aren't instituted, and Trump isn't interested in diminishing risk because Putin isn't. Trump's relative indifference to this problem makes him the friend of America's enemy, and makes living in America that much riskier.

And Trump has got his hand in the tax-payer's pocket to line his own with hotel, restaurant and golf cart fees paid to his business interest for a large retinue of secret service agents and assorted other personnel. The man can't open his mouth without lying to the extent that an interview with him under oath is being called a perjury trap, as if he could be made to perjure himself against his will. He lied throughout his campaign about releasing his taxes, another fraud, and he lied about having Mexico pay for his wall fantasy, yet another fraud.

He's already precipitated trade wars, an unstable stock market, and a government shutdown. And now he's in full tin-horn dictator mode trying to suppress transparency and the separation of powers in government.

This man is a disaster for America. Some people in America still object to such things and find such a person deeply unacceptable.

Is this what you mean by a smear? I'd call it a sincere criticism based in evidence, one demanding investigation to resolve. I'd call what people who defend Trump do failing in one's civic duty to be informed, to be vigilant, and to defend American values and traditions from an assault on them.



The Democrats are dealing with it. My guess is that they'll have to give up on the Mueller report and do their own thorough investigation from scratch. It appears that Mueller didn't investigate Trump for financial crimes, which the Democrats appear to be preparing to do. That's what the taxes are for. As I indicated to @Revoltingest , in conjunction with banking records and private financial records, it will be possible to investigate Trump for tax evasion, banking fraud, and money laundering, which is almost certainly what all that casino money represented.

The House can probably get more done than Mueller did, and do it faster. One committee can specialize in investigating obstruction of justice, another in conspiring with the Russians including violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, another on violations of campaign financing laws, another investigating financial crimes, etc..

Schiff appears to be preparing cases to turn over to federal prosecutors. From a few days ago. Schiff is arming for bear:
"Earlier this week the Daily Beast reported that Adam Schiff and the House Intel Committee has hired a former FBI financial crimes chief to investigate Trump. Then last night Rachel Maddow reported that Schiff has also hired three former U.S. Attorneys and an investigator who speaks Russian. Schiff is a former prosecutor himself, so it’s not surprising that he would want to assemble this kind of prosecutorial firepower.

"But these specific details help point to where this is headed. Various House committees are probing various aspects of Donald Trump’s finances, but the House Intel Committee is specifically focused on Trump’s financial ties to foreign nations and foreign entities. By hiring such an A-list financial crimes investigator, Schiff is revealing that he intends to expose the money trail between Donald Trump and other nations, even though Robert Mueller apparently didn’t go there. The addition of the Russian-speaking investigator tips off that Schiff is going deep into the Trump-Russia connection.

"Meanwhile, the addition of three former U.S. Attorneys suggests that Adam Schiff is planning to build a de facto federal criminal case against Donald Trump, which could then be served up to the Department of Justice once Trump is gone so he can be prosecuted for what Schiff finds."

So yeah, the Democrats are dealing with it, but in their idiom, and not according to the recommendations of their adversaries. They aren't listening when Trump says, "Witch hunt," or Barr says "No collusion," or McConnell says "Case closed."

The next step in dealing with this appears to be to deconstruct Barr. It's essential that the Democrats bring the full force of the law on him for refusing to comply with his subpeona. If possible, they should fine him, arrest him, file articles of impeachment against him, and move to have him disbarred (no pun intended), then see how the next person who is subpoenaed responds.

The Republicans are bringing Judgment Day on themselves. My hope is that the Democrats have the integrity and power to make it swift and decisive. My conscience demands it.



How timely of you to bring this up now that there is talk of Trump refusing to leave office, another item on the checklist of dictatorial traits Trump manifests.

Spoiler: dictator checklist

1. Desire for military parades
2. Browbeats the press and defines it as the enemy of the people
3. Confuses himself with the nation, calling what’s bad for him bad for America.
4. Attacks investigative committees and the intelligence community
5. Attacking vanquished political opponents
6. Attempt to control the flow of information
7. Holding rallies unrelated to campaigning
8. Calling those that disagree with him treasonous and un-American
9. Demanding adulation from his cabinet
10. Admires thuggish strongmen like Putin, Duterte, and Kim Jong Un
11. Nepotism
12. Disregard for the Constitution and the rule of law
13. Expecting government employees and appointees to be loyal to him personally rather than the nation
14. Targeting and demonizing various scapegoated groups
15. Angry nationalism and xenophobia
16. Vastly exaggerate a threat to make people afraid so that they will sacrifice freedoms to him in exchange for unneeded protection
17. The use of executive action to claim powers he doesn’t have
18. Contempt for facts and evidence
19. The destruction of political norms
20. Threats of refusal to leave office when it’s time

Trump's circumstances are different from Hitler's, not his character or impulses. Trump would love to have absolute dictatorial power, and is visibly envious of tyrants like Kim, Duterte, the Saudi king and crown prince, and Putin. He would have various political opponents and journalists executed if he could as his buddies get to do.

Now, all he can do is threaten to withdraw their press credentials, access, or licenses, and call them the enemy of the people, likely what Hitler would be doing if limited the way Trump is..

You lost all credibility when you referred to Hitler.
Learn something about Hitler before you make such ridiculous rearks. Especially concerning execution of journalists.
Sexual immorality? Before the Congress pursues that they should publicly apologize for the sexual assault hush fund that they've had and for years. Monies to pay interns and others who certain members have sexually assaulted or raped.

As for the rest of your projections concerning Trump, the rhetoric sounds like what a speech writer for Pelosi, Schumer, or mad Maxine Waters would pen.

That might not have been as resounding an endorsement of Trump's base as you think.

Oh, it is a ringing rebuttal if you'd have read the remark in full. Rather to be all those things HRC attributed to Republicans before living as a traitor.

As to Barr and the idea of subpoena, Barr is the attorney general. He knows the law. And he knows what he's doing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you read it you would know.

Again you can deny here all you want.

It does not change the reality that Obama,Hillary, and the DNC are under investigation now for conspiracy and obstruction.

You could quote and link. If you had something you would have.

I am not denying anything. I am stating that you made a claim that you could not support. There is no reason to believe you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have backed it up multiple times. But just met with denial. Just as you are doing now.

Like I say it doesn't matter if you believe me or not.

It doesn't change the fact that the DNC, Hillary, and Obama are under investigation of conspiracy and obstruction now as we speak.

But no worries I'll be here to rub it in your face and laugh at you mercilessly as you try to use apologetics to explain why they committed these crimes, once everything goes public.

Toodles

when have you ever backed up a clam?

 

[Enoch07]

You could quote and link. If you had something you would have.

I am not denying anything. I am stating that you made a claim that you could not support. There is no reason to believe you.

Doesn't matter if you believe me or not.

You obviously ignore reality because this all over TV. Unless you only watch MSNBC and CNn which are totally ignoring this because its hurts their viewers fee fees.

 

[Enoch07]

when have you ever backed up a clam?

More times than I can count.


Ignored more times than I can count as well.

That's how you guys operate.

That's ok because you can't live in your fairy tale forever.

 

[Subduction Zone]

More times than I can count.


Ignored more times than I can count as well.

That's how you guys operate.

That's ok because you can't live in your fairy tale forever.

I have not debated with you so your claim of "you guys" fails. Earlier today you misapplied a link because you appeared to not understand the roll of Congress in investigating the President. So at least you tried, even though you failed.

 

[Enoch07]

I have not debated with you so your claim of "you guys" fails. Earlier today you misapplied a link because you appeared to not understand the roll of Congress in investigating the President. So at least you tried, even though you failed.

See you ignore and/or deny. Since when have you done anything but deny.

I didn't misapply anything. Show me how I misapplied vs just claiming I misapplied.

You haven't, because you're not able to.

I cited law. Not some media source stating what they think the law is. I cited from U.S. Department of Justice. Good luck trying to out lawyer the justice dept pumpkin.

 

[Subduction Zone]

See you ignore and/or deny. Since when have you done anything but deny.

I didn't misapply anything. Show me how I misapplied vs just claiming I misapplied.

You haven't, because you're not able to.

I cited law. Not some media source stating what they think the law is. I cited from U.S. Department of Justice. Good luck trying to out lawyer the justice dept pumpkin.

Yes, you cited from a source that you did not understand. I then went out of the way to explain why that does not apply to Congress since they are in effect the grand jury. Sadly that appears to have gone over your head.

Don't make false accusations about others when it is your flaws that keep you from understanding.

 

[Enoch07]

Yes, you cited from a source that you did not understand. I then went out of the way to explain why that does not apply to Congress since they are in effect the grand jury. Sadly that appears to have gone over your head.

Don't make false accusations about others when it is your flaws that keep you from understanding.

That does not explain how it was misapplied. That is just more claims.

The rule I cited overides Congress and all other branches. There is exceptions and ways around it, but none apply to Congress for this particular case.

Even if it did, Congess missed their opportunity by wasting time trying to ruin Barrs reputation. Now executive privilege has been issued none of it matters. End of story. It goes to the courts now.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That does not explain how it was misapplied. That is just more claims.

The rule I cited overides Congress and all other branches. There is exceptions and ways around it, but none apply to Congress for this particular case.

Even if it did, Congess missed their opportunity by wasting time trying to ruin Barrs reputation. Now executive privilege has been issued none of it matters. End of story. It goes to the courts now.

No, executive privilege does not apply. You need to get rid of this Trumpette mentality. The President cannot apply executive privilege to investigations into him. Think about it a little bit.