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Trumps is thinking about firing Rod Rosenstien

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
What you call a "soap opera" some others here call a "threat to our national security", and I would suggest that the latter better represents the reality and significance of what's been going on.
I can't see Trump with an involvement with a one night stand with a porn star 12 years ago as a threat to our national security.

I agree with every act Trump has made as President.

He has a transparent administration. Daily briefings, tweeting his thoughts. Plenty of fodder to keep the MSM busy. Unlike Presidents before him that we had to wait as they hid themselves from the people.

We had no idea Obama was going to release dangerous people for a deserter. He even hid it from Congress. If anyone was "sneaky", it was him.

Clinton used the power of the Presidency for his affairs.

Pot calling the kettle black.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
I can't see Trump with an involvement with a one night stand with a porn star 12 years ago as a threat to our national security.

I agree with every act Trump has made as President.



He has a transparent administration. Daily briefings, tweeting his thoughts. Plenty of fodder to keep the MSM busy. Unlike Presidents before him that we had to wait as they hid themselves from the people.

We had no idea Obama was going to release dangerous people for a deserter. He even hid it from Congress. If anyone was "sneaky", it was him.

Clinton used the power of the Presidency for his affairs.

Pot calling the kettle black.

How brainwashed of you.Having sex 12 years ago w it a prostitute or porn star is not what he'
In trouble for.Mueller has 4 finding of obstruction one is for firing Comet when he started to investigate him.

He obstructed justice because he fired him on purpose so he wouldn' be able to investiate him so he could his acts.Is that transparent firing Cohen so he find anything out about him.

He also obstructed justice by losing about his involvement with Russia is that transparent?
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
How brainwashed of you.Having sex 12 years ago w it a prostitute or porn star is not what he'
In trouble for.Mueller has 4 finding of obstruction one is for firing Comet when he started to investigate him.

He obstructed justice because he fired him on purpose so he wouldn' be able to investiate him so he could his acts.Is that transparent firing Cohen so he find anything out about him.

He also obstructed justice by losing about his involvement with Russia is that transparent?

He also refused to let us as a country see his tax report because defrauding the government through taxes is that transparent I don' believe it is.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
How brainwashed of you.Having sex 12 years ago w it a prostitute or porn star is not what he'
In trouble for.Mueller has 4 finding of obstruction one is for firing Comet when he started to investigate him.

He obstructed justice because he fired him on purpose so he wouldn' be able to investiate him so he could his acts.Is that transparent firing Cohen so he find anything out about him.

He also obstructed justice by losing about his involvement with Russia is that transparent?
It's quite obvious that obstruction of justice has not been proven. If it had, he wouldn't be President, which he still is.

The Democrats wanted Comey fired in Nov 2016. How the "days of our lives" move.

I am now called "brainwashed". Just add that to the liberal name calling list.

Trump didn't sell 20% of our Uranium to Russia. Or use Russian intelligence to provide the means for a FISA warrant.

I wonder who has the most involvement in "proven" Russian activities. Trump or Hillary?
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Trump support spouts out what he thinks are fact about Trump without offering 1 ounce of proof. Of your saying is typical.

The fact you labeled Trump as Transparent.i can prove wrong with several things he' done plus the fact he lied to us told the country he would reveal his tax record as soon as he became president and he never will show us his tax records.

That alone squashes every word you'e said.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Trump support spouts out what he thinks are fact about Trump without offering 1 ounce of proof. Of your saying is typical.

The fact you labeled Trump as Transparent.i can prove wrong with several things he' done plus the fact he lied to us told the country he would reveal his tax record as soon as he became president and he never will show us his tax records.

That alone squashes every word you'e said.
I don't see the big deal on taxes. Most people don't reveal taxes. Do you, for everyone to see?

If nothing was found in his taxes, would you like him then? The IRS know what he paid, and that's good enough for me. He's audited every year, and so far nothing has been shown that he has done something wrong. Trump doesn't even do his own taxes. It's done by professional accountants.
 
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Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Nobody sold 20% of your Uranium to Russia, or any percent. If you think any U.S uranium actually went to Russia you are the victim of misinformation. (is that better than calling you brainwashed?)

Fox News anchor Shep Smith annihilates his network's favorite Hillary Clinton 'scandal,' the Uranium One deal
Well...............if YOU say it, it must be true. And there you have it. Debate over.

Sheps 2017 comment may have been made before informants have testified this year.

Uranium One informant makes Clinton allegations to Congress

Campbell wrote that Russian nuclear executives “boasted” during vodka-fueled meetings monitored by the FBI about “how weak the U.S. government was in giving away uranium business and were confident that Russia would secure the strategic advantage it was seeking in the U.S. uranium market.”

He also said he asked his FBI handlers why the U.S. was not more aggressive.

“I expressed these concerns repeatedly to my FBI handlers. The response I got was that politics was somehow involved,” he stated.

Much of the GOP’s interest in Campbell’s story centers on the Obama administration’s approval of the Uranium One deal. That deal at the time gave the Russian mining giant Rosatom control of roughly 20 percent of America’s capacity to mine uranium.


I think I'll just wait and see till after the fog clears.
 
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Shaul

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Premium Member
No your wrong you need to get updated on the news. They just passed a bill to protect Mueller so now its against the law to fired him. They the house has told him if he fires him hes breaking the law because it would mean that he is guilty and is firing him to keep him from finding the truth or in other words its obstruction. They did tell him they would impeach for obstruction. Its against the law sorry. If he were able too he would have already hes not allowed to no. Theres a bill being passed saying he cant.
No. They haven’t passed a bill which protects Mueller. A bill is in committee in the Senate but that is far from a passed bill. President Trump could fire Mueller without breaking any law.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Its against the law to obstruct justice. Mueller has already found that Trump may have obstructed justice when he fired Comey.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Well...............if YOU say it, it must be true. And there you have it. Debate over.

Sheps 2017 comment may have been made before informants have testified this year.

Uranium One informant makes Clinton allegations to Congress

Campbell wrote that Russian nuclear executives “boasted” during vodka-fueled meetings monitored by the FBI about “how weak the U.S. government was in giving away uranium business and were confident that Russia would secure the strategic advantage it was seeking in the U.S. uranium market.”

He also said he asked his FBI handlers why the U.S. was not more aggressive.

“I expressed these concerns repeatedly to my FBI handlers. The response I got was that politics was somehow involved,” he stated.

Much of the GOP’s interest in Campbell’s story centers on the Obama administration’s approval of the Uranium One deal. That deal at the time gave the Russian mining giant Rosatom control of roughly 20 percent of America’s capacity to mine uranium.


I think I'll just wait and see till after the fog clears.
Even if this is true, you do understand it is talking about shares in a company. Please tell me you understand that. If you buy shares of stock in McDonalds they don’t deliver crate loads of Big Macs to your house.

If you don’t like my source (fox news), please still use a little bit of common sense.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
No. They haven’t passed a bill which protects Mueller. A bill is in committee in the Senate but that is far from a passed bill. President Trump could fire Mueller without breaking any law.
If Donald Trump did decide to try to fire Mueller directly (by tweet, phone call, sending his body guard over with a message) I am confident that Bob Mueller would just reply respectfully that he does not recognize President Trumps authority to fire him and Mueller would just keep on working as if nothing happened. Only Rosenstein can fire Mueller.
 
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Phantasman

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Even if this is true, you do understand it is talking about shares in a company. Please tell me you understand that. If you buy shares of stock in McDonalds they don’t deliver crate loads of Big Macs to your house.

If you don’t like my source (fox news), please still use a little bit of common sense.
Your source was BusinessInsider. Not FoxNews.

Buying shares in a company is just and investment in it to gain a profitable return. People bought shares in the likes of Bernie Madoff. How'd that work out? Solyndra. Maybe, if Clinton is found guilty, she can appeal for the government to "bail her out" as many other mismanaged companies did during the Obama years.

I understand shares quite well.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
This is true. Only Rosenstien can fire Mueller.
The Attorney General has the right to normally fire a special council. Since Sessions recused himself, we are in uncharted waters. No one knows if the President does or doesn't have the right. If Trump did fire Mueller, he would be fired. The Democrats then can file suit for the Supreme Court to decide if the firing was Constitutional or not. That's their job. While Rosensteins position of authority came by the AGs absence, he can act as the AG does. Since Trump can fire an AG, he can fire Rosenstein as well. That's Constitutional. SC Mueller was employed by Rosenstein.

Can Trump Fire Mueller? - FactCheck.org

Since Mueller has deviated from the investigation he was hired for (Russian collusion in the election), and redefined it himself as an obstruction of justice investigation, he has crossed the line in which was his original lawful definition as SC. The Stormy Daniels thing had nothing to do with Russian anything. It appears that the FBI once again bent the rules to favor themselves.

If Mueller had something against Trump, that would Impeach him, I THINK he would have presented it to get Trump out quick as possible. But this act of go beyond the pale of Russian collusion just tells me that he doesn't want to turn up empty handed for the millions and millions of taxpayer dollars spent on his investigation.

The left doesn't want to hear him say "I found nothing to implicate Trump". They want something so bad, they can taste it.

Just my view. Until then, I'm behind the office of the President, no matter who he/she is.
 

Phantasman

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Great! Then you know when I said nobody sold 20% of your Uranium to Russia I was absolutely correct.
Giving them the rights to it means nothing then? They were sold the rights to it. Which means they can take it, bathe in it, eat it, whatever they want to do with it. Mine it and sell it to Iran. It's no longer ours.

You are picking at straws. It left our control and Russia has control. Call it what you like. And it appears someone made a lot of money in this action.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Which means they can take it, bathe in it, eat it, whatever they want to do with it. Mine it and sell it to Iran.
No, it positively does not mean that. It doesn’t mean anything even close to this nonsense. It only means if the company makes money they will make a profit on their investment. It does not mean they decide where the uranium is shipped. No they don’t even get to decide where 20% of the Uranium is shipped. That is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, they do get a vote on certain corporate proportions, but even there they don’t have majority control. They can’t have the Uranium shipped to Iran.

This is beyond absurd. I am forced to wonder if you are doing satire with this idea.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
It's quite obvious that obstruction of justice has not been proven. If it had, he wouldn't be President, which he still is.
It is quite obvious that Trump fired Comey because of the Russia probe. If he had legit reasons, which is quite possible, Trump shouldn't have said he did it because of Russia in one of his leaky tweets. He guaranteed Comey had a case against him by tweeting that.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
No, it positively does not mean that. It doesn’t mean anything even close to this nonsense. It only means if the company makes money they will make a profit on their investment. It does not mean they decide where the uranium is shipped. No they don’t even get to decide where 20% of the Uranium is shipped. That is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, they do get a vote on certain corporate proportions, but even there they don’t have majority control. They can’t have the Uranium shipped to Iran.

This is beyond absurd. I am forced to wonder if you are doing satire with this idea.
One side says yes, the other says no. I side with yes, due to a bleached server to hide something.

CNN reported on March 29, 2018 that Sessions had appointed John W. Huber, the United States Attorney for the District of Utah, to investigate "a cluster of Republican-driven accusations against the FBI," which includes allegations that the FBI acted inappropriately in two matters involving Hillary Clinton, including her emails and the sale of Uranium One to Rosatom. In a letter to three Republican Congressional committee chairmen, Sessions said he would rely on Huber's findings to decide if a special counsel needed to be appointed. Huber had been investigating the matters for a time, but his involvement had not previously been disclosed.- WIKI

When the FBI was assumed to be involved, Sessions took action. I'll accept what Huber finds out. Until then there is speculation.

I see that you don't debate. You argue. Not my style.

You become very condescending when someone doesn't agree with you, like you know it all and we are all nonsense.
 
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