Trumps is thinking about firing Rod Rosenstien

[metis]

And consenting adults having an affair does not make a man evil incarnate.

What do you think Jesus said about adultery?

 

[Phantasman]

So, you believe morals don't really matter. Got it.

I wonder what Jesus would say about that?

You put words in my mouth.

Jesus would have said "let those who are without sin cast the first stone".

People who question Trumps morals are those who think they have never moral issues themselves.

Everyone has skeletons in their closet, unless you think that you're the only one who doesn't.

I bet if the MSM dug into your past, there's a lot that YOU have done that you would not like brought to fruition.

I could be wrong. Maybe you have led a perfect life.

 

[Phantasman]

No, I gave you sites that based their claims upon actual events. I supported my claim about Trump, you can support your claims about Hillary. But then Kool- Aid drinkers always deny sources. It is the only way they can keep fooling themselves.

I never said that there is nothing there. Just that what IS there is thrown into the face of people to see the one bad thing to take away from any good thing(s).

I like Kool Aid. I like coffee and I like Southern Comfort. So the PC Kool Aid remark says nothing to me, but a frustrated post of name calling.

I rise above it.

 

[Phantasman]

What do you think Jesus said about adultery?

That it is forgivable, like most all sins.

There are a lot of priests who did nasty with children that are still in the priesthood.

 

[metis]

People who question Trumps morals are those who think they have never moral issues themselves.

False, as I am harder on myself than I am on Trump or anyone else.

I bet if the MSM dug into your past, there's a lot that YOU have done that you would not like brought to fruition.

Absolutely true.

But I have never behaved like Trump. I have never committed adultery. I have never groped a woman without her consent. I never had to pay fines after losing many a court case. I never bragged about my daughter's breast size. I have never said "Lock her/him up!" without a trial first. I don't make fun of people in wheelchairs. I'm not a racist. I'm not a misogynistic. Etc.

All you are doing is pushing a false equivalency. I don't expect our president to be a saint, but neither do I want our president to act like a demon.

 

[Underhill]

Pence = (Trump)^3

From a policy perspective yes. But Pence is much more low key about it. He doesn't put his crazy on the front page.

So from a Republican perspective he's mostly good news. I still don't know if he could win election though. He isn't much of a campaigner.

 

[metis]

That it is forgivable, like most all sins.

Yes, but when they confess, and thus far Trump not only hasn't publicly done so, he has bragged about his "many affairs". And then there's the issue with the prostitutes and why hush money was paid to silence them. Whaddya think Jesus would say about hiring prostitutes, Phantasman? Is that moral, iyo?

I hate to say this, but between Jesus and Trump, you've made it abundantly clear which of those you really wish to follow.

 

[Phantasman]

False, as I am harder on myself than I am on Trump or anyone else.

Absolutely true.

But I have never behaved like Trump. I have never committed adultery. I have never groped a woman without her consent. I never had to pay fines after losing many a court case. I never bragged about my daughter's breast size. I have never said "Lock her/him up!" without a trial first. I don't make fun of people in wheelchairs. I'm not a racist. I'm not a misogynistic. Etc.

All you are doing is pushing a false equivalency. I don't expect our president to be a saint, but neither do I want our president to act like a demon.

I guess we'll never know what you have done. So you're safe.

Every word and action Trump did or said is scrutinized by those who hate him, and I don't know if he is or isn't all those names you use to describe him. But as President, he sure seems to have put all of that on the back burner while he's running the country.

Guess I'm just one of the deplorables.

 

[Phantasman]

Yes, but when they confess, and thus far Trump not only hasn't publicly done so, he has bragged about his "many affairs". And then there's the issue with the prostitutes and why hush money was paid to silence them. Whaddya think Jesus would say about hiring prostitutes, Phantasman? Is that moral, iyo?

I hate to say this, but between Jesus and Trump, you've made it abundantly clear which of those you really wish to follow.

Well, the hush money wasn't paid by Trump, and we don't even know the whole story. He said/she said. IF Trump said it was true and appologized, I doubt the left would forgive him. I don't see Melania going anywhere with it.

Maybe you trust hookers more. Billionaires have deep pockets. They are always targets by money seeking attorneys, especially those with a leftist agenda.

Until it's proven, it's just speculation. I judge not.

Your last line is a frustrated response. It shows your lack of understanding.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I never said that there is nothing there. Just that what IS there is thrown into the face of people to see the one bad thing to take away from any good thing(s).

I like Kool Aid. I like coffee and I like Southern Comfort. So the PC Kool Aid remark says nothing to me, but a frustrated post of name calling.

I rise above it.

The problem is that you asked for evidence of Trump's wrong doing and I gave it to you. You could not refute it so you attacked the source. Even though I used reliable sources. Meanwhile you make extreme claims about Hillary and can't support any of them. The Kool-Aid remark was not "PC". It is rather far from it. It was not an attack. It was merely an observation. You were being a hypocrite and were caught at it. Just own up your error and it will go away.

 

[Riders]

According to MSNBC news I ust saw Mueller may not be charging him with that there are at least 3 or more charges one being obstruction of justice when he fired Comey.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, the hush money wasn't paid by Trump, and we don't even know the whole story. He said/she said. IF Trump said it was true and appologized, I doubt the left would forgive him. I don't see Melania going anywhere with it.

Maybe you trust hookers more. Billionaires have deep pockets. They are always targets by money seeking attorneys, especially those with a leftist agenda.

Until it's proven, it's just speculation. I judge not.

Your last line is a frustrated response. It shows your lack of understanding.

The problem is that whether Trump knew about it or not the hush money was an unlisted campaign donation. That means in that regard at the very least Cohen broke the law. That would justify a raid on his offices. Please note that they investigators are being very careful to keep the people investigating the findings of this raid separate from the investigators of Trump. Much of the evidence dug up will be covered by attorney client privilege. Unless evidence of collusion between Trump and Cohen turns up. If that happens all bets are off. Trump loses his attorney client privilege if that can be shown to be the case.

 

[Phantasman]

The problem is that you asked for evidence of Trump's wrong doing and I gave it to you. You could not refute it so you attacked the source. Even though I used reliable sources. Meanwhile you make extreme claims about Hillary and can't support any of them. The Kool-Aid remark was not "PC". It is rather far from it. It was not an attack. It was merely an observation. You were being a hypocrite and were caught at it. Just own up your error and it will go away.

So now I'm a hypocrite. You're running out of names.

Like Trump, Hillary is a wait and see. It'll all come out.

Whatever you give me about Trump, there is as much to refute it on the Net. He's still in office, and he is still running the country. Those are the facts.

 

[Phantasman]

The problem is that whether Trump knew about it or not the hush money was an unlisted campaign donation. That means in that regard at the very least Cohen broke the law. That would justify a raid on his offices. Please note that they investigators are being very careful to keep the people investigating the findings of this raid separate from the investigators of Trump. Much of the evidence dug up will be covered by attorney client privilege. Unless evidence of collusion between Trump and Cohen turns up. If that happens all bets are off. Trump loses his attorney client privilege if that can be shown to be the case.

So you admit it's speculation by saying "if".

 

[Subduction Zone]

So now I'm a hypocrite. You're running out of names.

Like Trump, Hillary is a wait and see. It'll all come out.

Whatever you give me about Trump, there is as much to refute it on the Net. He's still in office, and he is still running the country. Those are the facts.

Not a name. A description of your behavior. I explained how you performing the actions that you accuse others of was hypocritical.

As to Hillary, she has been investigated in the past, nothing was found, people will continue to investigate here and I am betting that nothing will be found I based my claims and observed actions of Trump in the past.

And yes, Trump is still in office, that is a non sequitur. That does not change the fact that he is a racist, a liar, and a cheat.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you admit it's speculation by saying "if".

"Speculation" as you used it is a loaded term and therefore improper to use. You are grasping at straws now. It is clear that Cohen did make an illegal campaign contribution. What is not known is whether or not Trump was directly involved. Please note I never claimed that Trump was directly involved because we do not know that yet. Are you merely projecting your "sins" upon others? I said, quite correctly, that if collusion can be shown that all of the subpoenaed material will be fair game. Like the Watergate break in the crime that got rid of Nixon was not the break in but the cover up.

 

[Riders]

Mueller has 4 findings of obstruction. Thats why Mueller does not need to interview Trump.

 

[Phantasman]

"Speculation" as you used it is a loaded term and therefore improper to use. You are grasping at straws now. It is clear that Cohen did make an illegal campaign contribution. What is not known is whether or not Trump was directly involved. Please note I never claimed that Trump was directly involved because we do not know that yet. Are you merely projecting your "sins" upon others? I said, quite correctly, that if collusion can be shown that all of the subpoenaed material will be fair game. Like the Watergate break in the crime that got rid of Nixon was not the break in but the cover up.

Spilt milk.

You just go live in the past (our fathers sins).

Right now, I am watching how Trump handles the Syrian issue (beefing up for conflict), the NK meeting of denuclearization), the economy trade deficits with China and other nations, the illegal entry of aliens, and my own paycheck through his actions.

Enjoy the soap opera.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Spilt milk.

You just go live in the past (our fathers sins).

Right now, I am watching how Trump handles the Syrian issue (beefing up for conflict), the NK meeting of denuclearization), the economy trade deficits with China and other nations, the illegal entry of aliens, and my own paycheck through his actions.

Enjoy the soap opera.

We will see how he deals with Syria. Hopefully he listens to his handlers. His dealing with illegal immigration is more likely to harm the country than not. Surely he demonstrates a lack of humanity in his approach. I seriously doubt if illegal immigrants have affected you negatively. Now there are times that a loose cannon can sometimes be useful. Reagan was a bit of a loose cannon and he had positive results in foreign relationships because others did not know how crazy he truly was. The same may work to Trump's advantage.

How about how he is ready to sell the future of everyone for a few bucks? Does global warming matter to you or are you merely another science denier?

 

[metis]

Enjoy the soap opera.

What you call a "soap opera" some others here call a "threat to our national security", and I would suggest that the latter better represents the reality and significance of what's been going on.