Trumps is thinking about firing Rod Rosenstien

[Phantasman]

It is quite obvious that Trump fired Comey because of the Russia probe. If he had legit reasons, which is quite possible, Trump shouldn't have said he did it because of Russia in one of his leaky tweets. He guaranteed Comey had a case against him by tweeting that.

The Democrats were calling for Comey's head as well because they thought that he cost Hillary the election.

I guess there's no chance that he was a buffoon that shouldn't have been in there. Seems the Russia probe still went on.

So I see it differently. Many things rather than the one you see.

 

[idav]

The Democrats were calling for Comey's head as well because they thought that he cost Hillary the election.

I guess there's no chance that he was a buffoon that shouldn't have been in there. Seems the Russia probe still went on.

So I see it differently. Many things rather than the one you see.

Whether Democrats wanted Comey gone or not has nothing to do with Trumps very public statements on why he got rid of Comey. You can just ignore it but I see what Trump says for what it is.

 

[metis]

I agree with every act Trump has made as President.

This comes as no surprise.

If there's a list of things that Trump has said and done, and another list of things that Jesus had said and done, there really is pretty much no match. So, either one believes in Trump, or one believes in Jesus, but one in reality cannot believe in both without having a very serious case of cognitive dissonance.

 

[metis]

President Trump could fire Mueller without breaking any law.

He most likely can't as he would have to fire Rosenstein first.

Why would an innocent man want to fire someone like Mueller who has been praised by both Democrats and Republicans alike, and also by Trump himself when Mueller was first appointed? Why would an innocent man want to stop an investigation that could prove he did no wrong?

 

[Phantasman]

Whether Democrats wanted Comey gone or not has nothing to do with Trumps very public statements on why he got rid of Comey. You can just ignore it but I see what Trump says for what it is.

I cannot see bipartisan support to get rid of Comey an issue. Trump does what they want and he's avoiding investigation. If he didn't do it, he's not listening to bipartisan support from Congress (the people).

Either way he loses.

The IG investigating the matter for the DOJ may shed more light on it.

For what we do know of Comey, he was unethical and leaked classified information to the press. That alone is enough to boot him.

Comey told the President he was NOT under investigation. So how can you say Trump fired him because of the investigation?

As this article says, it's just a he said/he said. And won't settle anything until all the facts are presented.

In 'A Higher Loyalty,' James Comey Describes An 'Unethical, And Untethered' President

 

[Phantasman]

This comes as no surprise.

If there's a list of things that Trump has said and done, and another list of things that Jesus had said and done, there really is pretty much no match. So, either one believes in Trump, or one believes in Jesus, but one in reality cannot believe in both without having a very serious case of cognitive dissonance.

That statement is one of the most idiotic things I have heard. You see two men. I see a physical man and a spiritual teacher. Your orthodox views being dragged into politics shows pure ignorance of either.

You can't see the separations. Just say Trump is the Devil, without trying to beat around the bush.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Your orthodox views being dragged into politics shows pure ignorance of either.

Speaking of pure ignorance ...

 

[idav]

I cannot see bipartisan support to get rid of Comey an issue. Trump does what they want and he's avoiding investigation. If he didn't do it, he's not listening to bipartisan support from Congress (the people).

Either way he loses.

The IG investigating the matter for the DOJ may shed more light on it.

For what we do know of Comey, he was unethical and leaked classified information to the press. That alone is enough to boot him.

Comey told the President he was NOT under investigation. So how can you say Trump fired him because of the investigation?

As this article says, it's just a he said/he said. And won't settle anything until all the facts are presented.

In 'A Higher Loyalty,' James Comey Describes An 'Unethical, And Untethered' President

The only issue I'm talking about is Trump creating suspicion to his motives for firing Comey. Even if he had a legit reason he shot it out of the water giving credence to the Comey story.
Trump says he was considering 'this Russia thing' when he fired Comey - CNNPolitics

 

[metis]

That statement is one of the most idiotic things I have heard. You see two men. I see a physical man and a spiritual teacher. Your orthodox views being dragged into politics shows pure ignorance of either.

You can't see the separations. Just say Trump is the Devil, without trying to beat around the bush.

As Gandhi said, if someone actually thinks that there can be a separation between politics and religion, then they don't much understand religion. I'll add that they don't much understand politics either.

Just because one may be a politician, that doesn't mean that all moral considerations should be eliminated-- at least imo. Matter of fact, both the Tanakh and the NT condemn atrocious actions that a political figure may commit, such as the Roman persecutions against the church.

Political leaders are in a position to do far more damage to more people than most of the rest of us, so to give politicians are free hand at doing anything they want is the antithesis of what the scriptures teach.

 

[Phantasman]

The only issue I'm talking about is Trump creating suspicion to his motives for firing Comey. Even if he had a legit reason he shot it out of the water giving credence to the Comey story.
Trump says he was considering 'this Russia thing' when he fired Comey - CNNPolitics

CNN. Isn't that fake news?

 

[Phantasman]

As Gandhi said, if someone actually thinks that there can be a separation between politics and religion, then they don't much understand religion. I'll add that they don't much understand politics either.

Just because one may be a politician, that doesn't mean that all moral considerations should be eliminated-- at least imo. Matter of fact, both the Tanakh and the NT condemn atrocious actions that a political figure may commit, such as the Roman persecutions against the church.

Political leaders are in a position to do far more damage to more people than most of the rest of us, so to give politicians are free hand at doing anything they want is the antithesis of what the scriptures teach.

Which is why we have a separation of church and state. Some people still combine the two when it needs to profit them.

Gandhi was a political activist, unlike Jesus.

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was an Indian activist who was the leader of the Indian independence movement against British rule.- WIKI

 

[metis]

Gandhi was a political activist, unlike Jesus.

Actually Jesus was as he opposed the actions of the Zealots, thus taking a political stand. He also said that it was necessary to help the poor, which is a political stand. He also said to pay taxes ("render unto Caesar..."), which was a political stand. He also said to "do no harm to those whom wish to harm you" and to "turn the other cheek", which are political stands.

Matter of fact, Gandhi very much loved Jesus and what Jesus taught, very often praising him and citing his many statements honoring God and using non-violence.

 

[Phantasman]

Actually Jesus was as he opposed the actions of the Zealots, thus taking a political stand. He also said that it was necessary to help the poor, which is a political stand. He also said to pay taxes ("render unto Caesar..."), which was a political stand. He also said to "do no harm to those whom wish to harm you" and to "turn the other cheek", which are political stands.

Matter of fact, Gandhi very much loved Jesus and what Jesus taught, very often praising him and citing his many statements honoring God and using non-violence.

We see politics differently. They killed Jesus and the disciples as well. The Roman church became a political ideology siding with rulers. All through history.

Matthew:
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Politics is for the body.

 

[fantome profane]

Actually Jesus was as he opposed the actions of the Zealots, thus taking a political stand. He also said that it was necessary to help the poor, which is a political stand. He also said to pay taxes ("render unto Caesar..."), which was a political stand. He also said to "do no harm to those whom wish to harm you" and to "turn the other cheek", which are political stands.

Matter of fact, Gandhi very much loved Jesus and what Jesus taught, very often praising him and citing his many statements honoring God and using non-violence.

You mention the “render on to Caesar” part of the quote, but don’t forget the second part - “render onto God that which belongs to God”. At that time and place in history this would be a very political statement, and a very controversial and dangerous one.

 

[Riders]

He most likely can't as he would have to fire Rosenstein first.

Why would an innocent man want to fire someone like Mueller who has been praised by both Democrats and Republicans alike, and also by Trump himself when Mueller was first appointed? Why would an innocent man want to stop an investigation that could prove he did no wrong?

Yall Trump supporters shouting Trump can fire Mueller anytime oh yea?One of the Lawyers that supported Trump told him last week not to fire Mueller or there would be trouble. If Im wrong if he could easily fire Mueller then why doesnt he?Trump says himself Mueller is a pain and causing him grief and hes totally pissed off at Mueller so whats holding him back from firing him huh? Can you answer that?I dont think so.

 

[Shad]

Yall Trump supporters shouting Trump can fire Mueller anytime oh yea?One of the Lawyers that supported Trump told him last week not to fire Mueller or there would be trouble. If Im wrong if he could easily fire Mueller then why doesnt he?Trump says himself Mueller is a pain and causing him grief and hes totally pissed off at Mueller so whats holding him back from firing him huh? Can you answer that?

Firing Mueller will not end the investigation. Someone new will replace him requiring an unknown amount of time to acclimate to the case which is another delay Trump hates. This person could easily feed the views Trump has regarding entrenched bureaucrats and so-called Obama holdouts. Tossing in Congresses reactions, media, etc, the move to fire Mueller is not worth the costs. Trump at the very least understands cost/risk actions along with enough advisors that understand the legal and government aspect better than Trump does.

I dont think so.

That is right, you didn't think.

 

[Shad]

Why would an innocent man want to fire someone like Mueller who has been praised by both Democrats and Republicans alike, and also by Trump himself when Mueller was first appointed? Why would an innocent man want to stop an investigation that could prove he did no wrong?

Presumption of innocence.

 

[idav]

CNN. Isn't that fake news?

No not really

Presumption of innocence.

Innocence til proven guilty still means being weeded out as a suspect.

 

[Shad]

No not really

Innocence til proven guilty still means being weeded out as a suspect.

Telling every suspect they have been ruled out is not standard policy. More so how do either of us know Trump has been ruled out in this case? All we have is lack of evidence, the smoking gun, connecting Trump to the Russians, his advisors and associates, etc. Trump obviously has not been told he has been ruled out since Twitter is still online. If he had been no one would hear the end of it.

 

[idav]

Telling every suspect they have been ruled out is not standard policy. More so how do either of us know Trump has been ruled out in this case? All we have is lack of evidence, the smoking gun, connecting Trump to the Russians, his advisors and associates, etc. Trump obviously has not been told he has been ruled out since Twitter is still online. If he had been no one would hear the end of it.

Trump is the last to be ruled out considering he appaears to be the common connection.