How do you feel about hypothetical questions that encourage you to think about treating people like property?How do you feel about people breeding dogs, cats, horses, cattle, etc., for specific traits?
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Trump's new ad cites racist eugenics organization as authority.
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Oculus
J A F O
Afraid to answer the question, I see.
There is no need for this thread to drive down the deep dark rabbit hole of eugenics. The organisation that I am referring to is clearly racist. It has a racist founder, it has a racist agenda.
John Tanton
Major Anti-Immigrant Organizations Have Ties To Racist Pseudoscience
Why is the Center for Immigration Studies publishing an “alt right” racist?
I am very disappointed to see that many people have been conned by the pseudo-scientific garbage known as eugenics, but that is not really the point and I don't have the energy go there right now.
The fact is that Trump is using a clearly racist organisation to support his immigrations policy. That is what this thread is about.
John Tanton
Major Anti-Immigrant Organizations Have Ties To Racist Pseudoscience
Why is the Center for Immigration Studies publishing an “alt right” racist?
I am very disappointed to see that many people have been conned by the pseudo-scientific garbage known as eugenics, but that is not really the point and I don't have the energy go there right now.
The fact is that Trump is using a clearly racist organisation to support his immigrations policy. That is what this thread is about.
Oculus
J A F O
We practice a form of eugenics with our animals, so it is not a pseudo-science, and it is no secret that people who are smart or good-looking or tall tend to pass these traits on to their progeny.
At least stick to the facts, if nothing else.
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
If you choose not to reproduce with someone because countless people in their family died from cancer, and you know they have a genetic affinity for it that you do not wish your children to inherit, you are practicing eugenics. If you choose to reproduce with someone because that person also genetically inherited characteristics that contribute to their ability to excel in athetics, and because you want your children to inherit those genes as well... you are practicing eugenics.
The decision to improve the genetics of your progeny by selecting a mate with genetics you find desirable, is eugenics.
Eugenics might be a nationwide movement, a movement by a clan, tribe, or small village... or a decision made by families or individuals to pass on specific genes to future generations. Eugenics is not "pseudoscience", lol.
This thread is not about eugenics!!! You are missing the point!
Does anyone want to comment on the fact that a racist organisation like the CIS is influencing the immigration policy of a candidate for the president of the United States?
Does anyone want to comment on the fact that a racist organisation like the CIS is influencing the immigration policy of a candidate for the president of the United States?
esmith
Veteran Member
No I don't see a problem from gathering data from many sources. It appears that they are not racist, they just have a different viewpoint than you and others.
I disagree with 95% of the liberal/progressive/LW, and Obama policies and supporters. I'm not a racist, I'm a equal opportunity hater
My only comment is that I'm utterly not surprised given his history.
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that you are just not at all familiar with this organisation.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
People seem to forget Hillary's use of the "n" word multiple times. Her affiliations with racist supporters. Ahem....cough cough...."Robert Byrd" but he's dead so that dosent count.
My how people forget things like that.
My how people forget things like that.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
How do you feel about people breeding dogs, cats, horses, cattle, etc., for specific traits?
I feel they aren't people.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
So you don't see a difference between some stupid comments and some loose affiliations 30+ years ago and a current presidential candidate doing the same?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Of course. My bad. Her mentor, Robert Byrd, past affiliation with the kkk I'm sure was just a loose affiliation like you say, and her recent uses, I mean allegations, of the "N" word are highly misquoted out of context. I'm sure she is a fine woman as things stand now. She likely hasn't a racist bone in her body.
The Trump bashing may proceed as scheduled. Dunno what came over me in this regard.
Hey, this is an important thread.
It's about the issues.....uh....no....it's about.....uh.....uh.....loose associations!
Anything anyone wants to believe can be justified by those.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
From Snopes....
"It's also true that Robert Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s and helped establish the hate group's chapter in Sophia, West Virginia. However, in 1952 Byrd avowed that "After about a year, I became disinterested [in the KKK], quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization," and throughout his long political career (he served for 57 years in the United States Congress) he repeatedly apologized for his involvement with the KKK:"
The guy was retiring and Clinton called him a friend and mentor. And there are some other glaring differences.
Again from Snopes...
"First of all, Trump declined to condemn Duke and the Ku Klux Klan in February 2016, making the story current and newsworthy, whilephotograph of Hillary Clinton was taken more than a decade ago. The lack of current coverage isn't because the print media are ignoring the association, but because the photograph is a several-year-old story.
Second, while David Duke is no longer a member of the Ku Klux Klan, he is still an active member of another white supremacist organization, NAAWP: the National Association for the Advancement of White People. Duke, a prominent Holocaust denier (although he describes himself as a "Holocaust exposer"), also has a more-than-passing interest in politics: the former member of the Louisiana House of Representatives has run for the U.S. Senate, governor of Louisiana, and President of the United States. Duke has spent his life founding and supporting various white nationalist and white supremacist groups, while Byrd, by contrast, spent the majority of his life publicly disavowing and repeatedly apologizing for his early KKK affiliation."
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I guess Trump just has to wait ten years. He'll be right as rain. I suppose the NAAWP is racist while on the other hand the NAACP isn't in comparison. Ok, I get it.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
I couldn't care less who supports Trump. I'm sure there are idiots supporting both candidates. But a congressman who was a Klan member for a year as a young man and has expressed regret for his involvement for over 50 years and was a supporter of the Civil Rights Act among numerous other things, is not the equivalent of a life long racist scumbag like David Duke.
And the NAACP isn't racist. From their mission statement..."The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate race-based discrimination."
By comparison the NAAWP was founded to support segregation. The two aren't even remotely equivalent. One is fighting for equality, the other was fighting against it.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Right, and if anyone dares to mention anything about Bush, they immediately accuse others of bringing up the past and not letting it go.