Trump's new ad cites racist eugenics organization as authority.

[esmith]

I'm not trying to be 'that guy' but really you need to read the stories you link. From your own story...

"Despite the big dollar numbers coming in to the U.S. coffers, it might be a stretch to call 2015 a "record" year for taxes. Experts point out that it's misleading to just look at the dollar amount.

That's because it often increases every year in the same way that the price of cars or other goods are a lot higher today than in the 1990s or 1970s. The prices of just about everything go up.

A better question to ask is whether the U.S. government is collecting more taxes as a percent of the total U.S. economy. In other words, is the government taking a bigger bite of the economy?

The answer is no. In 2015, federal taxes are on track to be about 18% of the economy. That's normal."

It also points out that while individuals in the middle class pay more as a percentage, the wealthy and corporations have managed to lover their contributions to levels not seen in many decades.

Ok, I'll give you that.
Now what would you do if more taxes were collect? Where would you put the increase?

 

[Underhill]

Ok, I'll give you that.
Now what would you do if more taxes were collect? Where would you put the increase?

If I had my druthers, more taxes would not be collected. We would simply cut military spending and get rid of most of our tax loopholes (along with a requisite adjustment to rates). Most of what I want could be done without spending any more money than we currently do. It may mean slightly more paid by corporations and the wealthy, but only because many of them pay next to nothing as a percentage.

But to your question, updating our infrastructure, create a path to public college for everyone without massive debt and rebuild our health care infrastructure (the current system is hopelessly broken) and fund NASA.

 

[esmith]

If I had my druthers, more taxes would not be collected. We would simply cut military spending and get rid of most of our tax loopholes (along with a requisite adjustment to rates). Most of what I want could be done without spending any more money than we currently do. It may mean slightly more paid by corporations and the wealthy, but only because many of them pay next to nothing as a percentage.

But to your question, updating our infrastructure, create a path to public college for everyone without massive debt and rebuild our health care infrastructure (the current system is hopelessly broken) and fund NASA.

Infrastructure. Couple of problems, first how to keep the politicians hands out of the cookie jar. Seems if there is money laying around waiting to be used Washington finds way to use it on other programs. See Social Security trust fund
Second. Where are you going to find the workers to do the work. At the present time there is a labor shortage in that area. People just don't want to do the manual work, or finding the necessary skilled labor force for some of the job areas

College. Yeah right. We have people with degrees now that can't find work. Are you in favor of providing this program to anyone going to college and with a major in any field, or limit the majors to certain areas. I can't see giving free tuition to someone majoring in art. I could see maybe assistance to those in specialized fields like medicine, engineering, teaching, and possibly others. How about the person that just goes to college for the fun and games and doesn't complete their degree. No I have a serious problem with this. Go after the schools to bring their tuition down. A lot of money is wasted on frivolous expenditures

No, you can not cut the military budget until you get Congress critters from protecting their re-election options by demanding programs that the military doesn't want or need. Major problem in this area. Yes I agree there is a lot of gee-whizz money in the pentagon budget.

 

[Revoltingest]

If I had my druthers, more taxes would not be collected. We would simply cut military spending and get rid of most of our tax loopholes (along with a requisite adjustment to rates). Most of what I want could be done without spending any more money than we currently do. It may mean slightly more paid by corporations and the wealthy, but only because many of them pay next to nothing as a percentage.

But to your question, updating our infrastructure, create a path to public college for everyone without massive debt and rebuild our health care infrastructure (the current system is hopelessly broken) and fund NASA.

If I had my druthers, more taxes would not be collected. We would simply cut military spending and get rid of most of our tax loopholes (along with a requisite adjustment to rates). Most of what I want could be done without spending any more money than we currently do. It may mean slightly more paid by corporations and the wealthy, but only because many of them pay next to nothing as a percentage.

But to your question, updating our infrastructure, create a path to public college for everyone without massive debt and rebuild our health care infrastructure (the current system is hopelessly broken) and fund NASA.

What are the "loopholes" whose elimination would raise so much revenue?

 

[Acim]

White nationalism isn't racist?

Not inherently, or automatically. It can be, but it can be simple preference. I see it as somewhat reactionary to many other groups that exist to promote group identify and advanced political objectives for those groups. It is odd to me that those other groups either cannot be (due to lack of intellectual integrity) or cannot ever be (due to intellectually dishonesty) filtered through racist/separatist perspectives while white nationalism is only to be filtered through that perspective.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not inherently, or automatically. It can be, but it can be simple preference. I see it as somewhat reactionary to many other groups that exist to promote group identify and advanced political objectives for those groups. It is odd to me that those other groups either cannot be (due to lack of intellectual integrity) or cannot ever be (due to intellectually dishonesty) filtered through racist/separatist perspectives while white nationalism is only to be filtered through that perspective.

I think it does if one says/believes things like:

"I've come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that."

Or musing about whether or not minorities are capable of running an advanced society.


Stuff like that.

 

[Acim]

I think it does if one says/believes things like:

"I've come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that."

Or musing about whether or not minorities are capable of running an advanced society.


Stuff like that.

I can see that as prejudicial and reason to scrutinize.

But "stuff like that" is what I'm addressing. And have from beginning of this tangent. If other groups do "stuff like that" but it gets downplayed or ignored, it shows up as biased, which I find deserving to be questioned / scrutinized. It's not like certain white people are the only people in America 'musing' about how their own perceived cultural identity could be advanced / obtain political power by showing favoritism toward that identity.

If there is (strong) desire to end the movements of 'white advancement' (or however that is being phrased), I would hope that is consistent across the board with all forms of identity politics. If not, then just be clear on the fine line of intellectualism that is being walked and hope it doesn't actually promote ways in which white advancement could enter the same arena, using essentially the same logic/rhetoric.

While in America, presumably dealing with all political/national concerns that ALL legal Americans might have interest in, I would suggest avoiding all identity type language that could easily lead to separatist type movements/extreme distinctions. I'm not saying this will be easy (under the guise of diversity), but when distinctions are being made and promoted (for whatever reason) that does open the door to ALL separatist groups to do similar things, using same rhetoric.

 

[Underhill]

Infrastructure. Couple of problems, first how to keep the politicians hands out of the cookie jar. Seems if there is money laying around waiting to be used Washington finds way to use it on other programs. See Social Security trust fund

It's always a challenge. But we definitely need to make it happen.

Second. Where are you going to find the workers to do the work. At the present time there is a labor shortage in that area. People just don't want to do the manual work, or finding the necessary skilled labor force for some of the job areas

It all depends on where you are in the country. I suspect 80% of the country (by area) would not have a problem finding or building the labor force. The rest, no idea. But the work needs doing.

College. Yeah right. We have people with degrees now that can't find work. Are you in favor of providing this program to anyone going to college and with a major in any field, or limit the majors to certain areas. I can't see giving free tuition to someone majoring in art. I could see maybe assistance to those in specialized fields like medicine, engineering, teaching, and possibly others. How about the person that just goes to college for the fun and games and doesn't complete their degree. No I have a serious problem with this. Go after the schools to bring their tuition down. A lot of money is wasted on frivolous expenditures

First, I didn't say anyone going to college. I said create a path for those going to public schools. And yes, you may have to limit it to majors where there is demand or at the very least to majors that don't involve basket weaving or sociology (worth roughly the same in the real world in my opinion). Also require they maintain a C average. Drop below a C and they are required to take out loans to cover the cost until grades improve.

No, you can not cut the military budget until you get Congress critters from protecting their re-election options by demanding programs that the military doesn't want or need. Major problem in this area. Yes I agree there is a lot of gee-whizz money in the pentagon budget.

I didn't say it would be easy or even possible. But you asked what I would do.

The military is a tough nut to crack. The companies supplying our services are genius at making it dang near impossible to touch anything without ticking off 30+ states of senators and congress. This is why the F35 is made in 42 different states. That absurdity alone has to be costing us a fortune.