Trump's strong support / Democrats' lack of support, by white women

[Kooky]

The USA would be vastly improved if we had a dictator who said there would be strict rules for dealing with the pandemic, for more fair and equal tax rates, higher minimum wage that is increased in different ways and over time, universal healthcare, and so on. [...]

One would think so, but every single authoritarian government has struggled to deal with the COVID Pandemic to the same degree, or even worse, than more participatory or representative systems of government, and I can recall no authoritarian government that manages to achieve greater degrees of labor rights, economic fairness and mass distribution of wealth than your typical Western democracy. Not that I would say the latter fare particularly great in these categories, mind you, but it's still a bar that a lot of authoritarian regimes can't clear - not even the ones ostensibly being put in place to act in the interests of the working class.

If you ask me, I don't think these ideas of barriers and limitations as functions of democratic government paint an accurate picture of how either representative or authoritarian forms of government actually pan out in practical, day-to-day political life. In a lot of ways, both representative and authoritarian governments tend to have to tackle the issue of competing interests within their respective societies, and I would argue that it is these interest groups that have the greatest influence on the development and practical implementation of government policies, as well as their respective effectiveness.

 

[Kooky]

The problem with putting too much power into the hands of one leader/person, is it can work just about heavenly when you get someone good at things and moral. But eventually, a narcissist will step in.

Even the best possible person has blind spots, biases, and beliefs that render their decisions potentially flawed, and even the best possible person has to rely on a large amount of staff, bureaucrats, sub-leaders, hierarchies and systems of administration to get anything done at all, and need to rely on the good will of the governed populace amd the members of the state apparatus both to have these measures be effective - and the greater their responsibilities, the greater that need.

Therefore, the nicest and smartest possible person, could still end up a total disaster for a country when these other factors don't work in their favor.

 

[Revoltingest]

It IS small government when one will not make mandatory rules about how a business does business!
" I'm taking away freedom for your safety." Is the theme of tyrants.

Interfering with business is the Democrats' specialty.
DeSantis is one doing that.
So they're RINOs.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The USA would be vastly improved if we had a dictator who said there would be strict rules for dealing with the pandemic, for more fair and equal tax rates, higher minimum wage that is increased in different ways and over time, universal healthcare, and so on.

If you want to live under a dictator I suggest you move, if you live in the USA.
But the current administration seems to be going that direction. Hopefully there's still enough Patriots left to kick them out when the four years is up.

 

[F1fan]

If you want to live under a dictator I suggest you move, if you live in the USA.
But the current administration seems to be going that direction. Hopefully there's still enough Patriots left to kick them out when the four years is up.

Of course you completely missed my point. And aren't you a trump supporter? He was notoriously authoritarian and was held back due to laws and congress. There's nothing Biden is doing that justifies your bogus and ironic claim.

And your "Patriots" are responsible for the January 6 attack, so let's hope they stay out of politics so they can stay out of jail. Let's note that the GOP offers very little to the American people. If anything their obstruction and "do nothing" attitude is holding America back. The only beneficiaries are the wealthy, as the middle class and poor still scramble for the scraps.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Of course you completely missed my point. And aren't you a trump supporter? He was notoriously authoritarian and was held back due to laws and congress. There's nothing Biden is doing that justifies your bogus and ironic claim.

Really?
Biden was elected to restore norms to Washington, D.C., but his eviction decision is one of the most egregious acts of executive overreach in decades.

Not to mention his claim that the second amendment is not important and can be ignored.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you want to live under a dictator I suggest you move, if you live in the USA.
But the current administration seems to be going that direction. Hopefully there's still enough Patriots left to kick them out when the four years is up.

"Patriots"....didn't they try to overturn the last election
by force & media manipulation? Here's hoping they
don't come to power.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Maybe it's far better than being a creepy hair sniffer and Hillary hugger.

No. No, it's not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe it's far better than being a creepy hair sniffer and Hillary hugger.

Can we find them both creepy
without having a contest...
"Our creep is less creepy than your creep!"

 

[F1fan]

One would think so, but every single authoritarian government has struggled to deal with the COVID Pandemic to the same degree, or even worse, than more participatory or representative systems of government, and I can recall no authoritarian government that manages to achieve greater degrees of labor rights, economic fairness and mass distribution of wealth than your typical Western democracy. Not that I would say the latter fare particularly great in these categories, mind you, but it's still a bar that a lot of authoritarian regimes can't clear - not even the ones ostensibly being put in place to act in the interests of the working class.

If you ask me, I don't think these ideas of barriers and limitations as functions of democratic government paint an accurate picture of how either representative or authoritarian forms of government actually pan out in practical, day-to-day political life. In a lot of ways, both representative and authoritarian governments tend to have to tackle the issue of competing interests within their respective societies, and I would argue that it is these interest groups that have the greatest influence on the development and practical implementation of government policies, as well as their respective effectiveness.

Yeah, it's a no win situation. Authoritarians are not typically concerned about the public, so wouldn't;t really care if many get sick and die. Look at trump as an example, his indifference to people getting sick and dying was well documented. Early in the pandemic his economic advisor Navarro said he expected 1-2 million deaths if the USA went about business as usual, and trump had no problem with that.

The dilemma with democracy in this age of social media and so much poor quality media is the poorly informed citizen who votes for bad representatives. So I'm not sure how anyone can win.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Lol, it's your dream tell it your way.
The other side literally stole the election by having social media conceal information on Biden and his son. It's the only reason he won.

You can't be serious.

Rudy Giuliani had every chance in the world to share the supposedly terrible intel he says he got from Ukraine and other foreign governments on Biden's son and never, ever shared a thing. Not. One. Thing.
Yet people still believe nonsense like "the other side literally stole the election by having social media conceal information on Biden and his son."
Unreal.

By the way, who cares about Hunter Biden? He wasn't running for President.

 

[F1fan]

What excuses? As I recall that Media painted it as a good thing.
Who is really promoting Hitler like behavior? It's the left, with their constant push for tyranny. Mask mandates, vaccine mandates, always more control.

It's more of an issue of helping make society more safe and secure so citizens aren't at risk for getting sick and perhaps being hospitalized. The few mandates are a response to a small percentage of workers using poor judgment in regards to vaccination and mask usage. That is due to right wing disinformation. I suggest the tyranny is how too many conservative citizens watch poor quality media and are not informed well enough to make good judgments in regards to their safety and overall public health. These people spreading disinformation, and the foolish citizens who consume it, pose a threat to America and the economy.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What excuses? As I recall that Media painted it as a good thing.
Who is really promoting Hitler like behavior? It's the left, with their constant push for tyranny. Mask mandates, vaccine mandates, always more control.

You're totally cool with the party that legislates what women are allowed to do with their bodies though, right?
Gimme a break.

Mask mandates are tyranny? Please.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Pay attention to what politicians are pushing the lockdowns and mandates. It's mostly the left.

Yeah, because they're apparently the ones that care about saving lives.
Not sure why the Republicans are happy killing off their base, but whatever.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You're totally cool with the party that legislates what women are allowed to do with their bodies though, right?
Gimme a break.

Mask mandates are tyranny? Please.

People have a right to choose what they can or cannot do with their body.

That includes masks.

 

[F1fan]

Really?
Biden was elected to restore norms to Washington, D.C., but his eviction decision is one of the most egregious acts of executive overreach in decades.

If you are referring to helping the poor and powerless protection from eviction earlier this year, yes, that was a moral thing to do. As a former landlord I wish the money set aside to help pay landlords so they can pay their mortgages was being done properly. Last I heard most of the money hasn't been disbursed. I remember this is being done at the state level.

But don't worry, I think both the unemployment and eviction moratorium have ended, and conservatives can be gleeful that the poor will suffer.

Not to mention his claim that the second amendment is not important and can be ignored.

Well, when was the last time the USA needed to call up it's well regulated militias for protection? Nothing after the 19th century as far as I know.

If you are referring to gun nuts and the high degree of crime due to easy access to guns, then explain why criticism is bad?

 

[F1fan]

People have a right to choose what they can or cannot do with their body.

That includes masks.

Except that masks protect others as well, so there is no freedom to expose others to a virus that is very contagious and deadly. If you want to walk around in a sealed bubble because you hate masks, get one of those.

Your belief here is as poorly thought out as saying you have the freedom to shoot your gun anywhere you want, and you are indifferent to anyone who gets hit with your stray bullets. That your harm was not deliberate does not mean you have the right and freedom to infringe on the safety and health of others due to your poor judgment and actions.

You want all the freedom, but none of the personal responsibility.

 

[SkepticThinker]

People have a right to choose what they can or cannot do with their body.

That includes masks.

Not if it harms others.

You have a right to swing an axe around too, but not if I'm in your way.

 

[Wildswanderer]

"Patriots"....didn't they try to overturn the last election
by force & media manipulation? Here's hoping they
don't come to power.

The capital invaders were criminals. And the media is manipulated by the left.
The Patriot is one who believes in freedom.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Except that masks protect others as well

Not.