Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Because nobody has presented any evidence to be looked at.
Just like you here. I've asked countless times already. You have still not shared this evidence, which you even claimed to be "irrefutable proof".




It would, if it were true. But it's not true.

How would you know what the evidence looks like if you haven't got a clue what you're looking for. as it stands, you could trip over the evidence on the street and not know it, so yeah that's a bit of a problem for you to deal with

 

[paarsurrey]

Any decent wikipedia article has sources that you can go to to verify what is written.

But I agree: those sources are usually more reliable than wikipedia.

That said, it's record for technical subjects is very good. In physics and math, the articles tend to be excellent.

Yes, Wikipedia provides the original sources in the footnotes.

Regards

 

[Polymath257]

So there was no evidence according to them, but just suppose that half the world doesn't trust them. People change sides very quickly if the price is right

So you claim these people were bought off? Any evidence of that at all?

Funny that it was *republicans* that verified the elections in Georgia and Nevada. Some even bemoaned the fact that Trump lost.

Trump supporters are clinging to a false hope. He lost the popular vote. he lost the electoral vote. Even his Vice President admitted that.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Dude.......................


So, did the "christian" scientists amuse themselves by using arabic names for "their" progress in math like "algebra"?





Did the "christian" astronomers amuse themselves by given all the stars an arabic name?

Read some history, for crying out loud.................

Who's history do you want me to read???. I'm sure you know the old saying everyone writes their own history to make themselves look good and the opposition look bad. I'm not here to take anyone's hook line and sinker bait. I'm only interested in the truth, as in facts. i know most hate the truth as it gets in the way but there are some of us who embrace it.

 

[ElishaElijah]

There is no such substance. Once oxygen stops getting to your cells, you start to decay/

Then people should be able to live forever, but they don’t because God set the years to 120

There is no such substance. Once oxygen stops getting to your cells, you start to decay/

You’d think we would be able to live a lot longer, all our great technology and all. But even with oxygen we are decaying because when Adam and Eve sinned it brought death into the world. But there’s hope in God for us.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

How do you know how qualified I am when it comes to religion or the Bible?
Can you prove that any of the stories in the Bible ever actually took place?
You are the pot calling the kettle black, unless you have some kind of advanced degree in religious studies.

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God said, in His Word the Bible that He gives all the reprobate a spirit of stupor which removes their capacity to understand the truth. He said He only gives His elect the capacity to understand and know the truth.

So I'm sad to say I can't help you if you don't have the required attributes to receive the software upgrade.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Stanwood Cobb is not the only person who ever wrote a book on this. It is a known fact that Islam made major contributions to Western civilization

The Islamic world in the Middle Ages

Throughout the Middle Ages, the Muslim world was more advanced than Christian Western Europe, which learned a huge amount from its neighbour.

Part of

History

The Middle Ages (12th to 15th century)

Islamic influence on Western Europe

The Islamic empire had a huge impact on the development of medieval Western Europe. It is possible to argue that the Islamic world provided the foundations for developments in western civilisation:

Knowledge

• Western Europeans incorporated Muslim ideas on maths, science, medicine and astronomy into their own thinking and practises.
• The first hospital in Paris was founded by Louis IX after he came back from Crusade in 1260.

Culture

Many Western musical instruments were copied from instruments that originated in Islamic societies, including the lute, the guitar and the violin. It is said that Spanish flamenco dancing was influenced by the rhythms of Arab music.

Trade

European noblemen bought goods that Muslim’s traded in – silk, spices etc – as the height of fashion. Western sailors adopted devices that had been refined by Arabs, eg the astrolabe, which aided navigation, and the triangular sail, which increased manoeuvrability. Without these Columbus would never have reached America.

Architecture

The pointed arch from Muslim mosques was copied in western Gothic architecture. Western castle-designers adopted the idea of concentric castles, with layers of walls, from Muslim castles they had seen on Crusade.

War and conquest

• Large areas of Europe were conquered by Muslims. When these areas such as southern Spain were recaptured and placed under Christian rule Muslim customs and architecture remained.
• Christians were encouraged to go on Crusade to recapture Jerusalem from the Muslims. Christians brought back ideas about knowledge and culture to Europe after their travels.
• One historian writes that the fall of Constantinople and the end of the Byzantine Empire in 1453 sent a stream of refugees and tremors of fear, shock and despair throughout Christendom. Some historians believe that 1453 marks the end of the Middle Ages.

Where next?

You can compare the Islamic world to Medieval England in five areas – government, conflict, migration, economy and trade, and everyday life.

Islamic influence on Western Europe - The Islamic world in the Middle Ages - KS3 History Revision - BBC Bitesize

again, all of that sounds interesting but it doesn't fit the reality that Islam is 1000 years behind Christianity in every respect.
Just look at the Islamic countries, they're still using donkeys for transport.Their greatest invention of all time was the kebab and the Christian West sends probes to Mars, go figure

 

[ElishaElijah]

So there was no evidence according to them, but just suppose that half the world doesn't trust them. People change sides very quickly if the price is right

Looks like some things never change, people can be bribed just like in Jesus’ day.

 

[Polymath257]

Then people should be able to live forever, but they don’t because God set the years to 120

Why would you think that people should be able to live forever?

There *are* living things that appear to be immortal. But, because of the way human cells divide (cutting the ends of the telomeres), there are a limited number of cell divisions for each cell (unless it goes cancerous).

You’d think we would be able to live a lot longer, all our great technology and all. But even with oxygen we are decaying because when Adam and Eve sinned it brought death into the world. But there’s hope in God for us.

We *do* live longer than we did before.

Oxygen is a curious substance. It is required for life (at least human life), but it is also a long-term poison (chemically altering the chemicals in our body in ways that make them function less well). That is why you hear so much about anti-oxidants. So it is a play-off: we need oxygen to drive the chemical reactions in our bodies, but that same oxygen has long term effects that are problematic.

As for Adam and Eve, the evidence is that those individuals never existed.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Again, not true. Paper, gun powder, highly skilled metal casting, highly skilled porcelain, the printing press, etc.



What is your definition of a hospital? A place where people can go to get medical care? There were many temples to Asclepius that performed that role in ancient society.

OK it took the Chinese 5000 years to discover basic elements, nothing impressive there.
Not sure what kind of medical practice those Roman temples employed, but I'm sure they weren't available to the public and their methods of healing would have been the witch doctor type and nothing to do with actual medicine.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Mostly, they ignore the questions, actually.



Sorry they wasted their lives. I guess it was their choice.



Hinduism.

Hindus don't know what Hinduism is, so begs the validity question. I have Hindu friends, they are unable to clearly define what the religion teaches. It's so abstract that it doesn't qualify as a religion in the strictest sense of the word.

 

[Polymath257]

again, all of that sounds interesting but it doesn't fit the reality that Islam is 1000 years behind Christianity in every respect.
Just look at the Islamic countries, they're still using donkeys for transport.Their greatest invention of all time was the kebab and the Christian West sends probes to Mars, go figure

Actually, the United Arab Emirates has a probe orbiting Mars right now.

In 1000 AD, the Christian West was *far* behind the Islamic East in almost every respect. Moslem areas had schools, hospitals, charities, the most advanced mathematics, the most advanced science, the most advanced medicine, etc.

What happened is the religious extremists took over and stopped those advances. This stunted Islamic culture to the present day.

But the same type of thing had happened previously in Christian Europe. When Christianity was adopted by the Roman empire, the religious extremists shut down the remaining attempts to understand the world. Math, science, and medicine suffered for centuries.

It was only when the advances of the Moslem East were transmitted and adopted by the Christian West that advances started again in Europe. That was mostly done by *separating* the investigations from religion and minimizing the effect of religious extremists on the new investigations. Yes, the individuals were mostly religious (since everyone was who wanted to keep their head). But their investigations advanced most when religion was set aside and the physical evidence taken seriously.

 

[Polymath257]

OK it took the Chinese 5000 years to discover basic elements, nothing impressive there.

How long did it take the West? The 'basic elements' were only discovered in the 1800's.

Not sure what kind of medical practice those Roman temples employed, but I'm sure they weren't available to the public and their methods of healing would have been the witch doctor type and nothing to do with actual medicine.

Which was the case in Europe as well until very recently. Modern medicine only started advancing when the ties to religious dogma were severed and, for example, dissection of cadavers was allowed. Christianity was more of a hindrance that a help in this advancement.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why would you think that people should be able to live forever?

There *are* living things that appear to be immortal. But, because of the way human cells divide (cutting the ends of the telomeres), there are a limited number of cell divisions for each cell (unless it goes cancerous).




We *do* live longer than we did before.

Oxygen is a curious substance. It is required for life (at least human life), but it is also a long-term poison (chemically altering the chemicals in our body in ways that make them function less well). That is why you hear so much about anti-oxidants. So it is a play-off: we need oxygen to drive the chemical reactions in our bodies, but that same oxygen has long term effects that are problematic.

As for Adam and Eve, the evidence is that those individuals never existed.

You should be able to go to Israel and talk to some people...
“As he began his ministry, Jesus was about thirty years old and was thought to be the son of Joseph, son of Heli, son of Matthat, son of Levi, son of Melchi, son of Jannai, son of Joseph, son of Mattathias, son of Amos, son of Nahum, son of Esli, son of Naggai, son of Maath, son of Mattathias, son of Semein, son of Josech, son of Joda, son of Joanan, son of Rhesa, son of Zerubbabel, son of Shealtiel, son of Neri, son of Melchi, son of Addi, son of Cosam, son of Elmadam, son of Er, son of Joshua, son of Eliezer, son of Jorim, son of Matthat, son of Levi, son of Simeon, son of Judah, son of Joseph, son of Jonam, son of Eliakim, son of Melea, son of Menna, son of Mattatha, son of Nathan, son of David, son of Jesse, son of Obed, son of Boaz, son of Salmon, son of Nahshon, son of Amminadab, son of Ram, son of Hezron, son of Perez, son of Judah, son of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham, son of Terah, son of Nahor, son of Serug, son of Reu, son of Peleg, son of Eber, son of Shelah, son of Cainan, son of Arphaxad, son of Shem, son of Noah, son of Lamech, son of Methuselah, son of Enoch, son of Jared, son of Mahalalel, son of Cainan, son of Enos, son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:23-38‬ ‭CSB‬‬

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

So you claim these people were bought off? Any evidence of that at all?

Funny that it was *republicans* that verified the elections in Georgia and Nevada. Some even bemoaned the fact that Trump lost.

Trump supporters are clinging to a false hope. He lost the popular vote. he lost the electoral vote. Even his Vice President admitted that.

Please take a bit of time to have a look at what some experts say about it. I realise you may struggle to believe some of the claims but we should consider the fact that truth is stranger than fiction.

I bet you will refuse to look at the accusations and evidence provided, I hope you can just put your biases aside for a few moments and see why us crazy people are so angry.
https://banned.video/watch?id=602702647257aa039f80514d

 

[Polymath257]

You should be able to go to Israel and talk to some people...
“As he began his ministry, Jesus was about thirty years old and was thought to be the son of Joseph, son of Heli, son of Matthat, son of Levi, son of Melchi, son of Jannai, son of Joseph, son of Mattathias, son of Amos, son of Nahum, son of Esli, son of Naggai, son of Maath, son of Mattathias, son of Semein, son of Josech, son of Joda, son of Joanan, son of Rhesa, son of Zerubbabel, son of Shealtiel, son of Neri, son of Melchi, son of Addi, son of Cosam, son of Elmadam, son of Er, son of Joshua, son of Eliezer, son of Jorim, son of Matthat, son of Levi, son of Simeon, son of Judah, son of Joseph, son of Jonam, son of Eliakim, son of Melea, son of Menna, son of Mattatha, son of Nathan, son of David, son of Jesse, son of Obed, son of Boaz, son of Salmon, son of Nahshon, son of Amminadab, son of Ram, son of Hezron, son of Perez, son of Judah, son of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham, son of Terah, son of Nahor, son of Serug, son of Reu, son of Peleg, son of Eber, son of Shelah, son of Cainan, son of Arphaxad, son of Shem, son of Noah, son of Lamech, son of Methuselah, son of Enoch, son of Jared, son of Mahalalel, son of Cainan, son of Enos, son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:23-38‬ ‭CSB‬‬

Funny how that disagrees with Matthew 1:1-16.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Looks like some things never change, people can be bribed just like in Jesus’ day.

Here's some evidence,if you have the courage to deal with it
https://banned.video/watch?id=602702647257aa039f80514d

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Actually, the United Arab Emirates has a probe orbiting Mars right now.

In 1000 AD, the Christian West was *far* behind the Islamic East in almost every respect. Moslem areas had schools, hospitals, charities, the most advanced mathematics, the most advanced science, the most advanced medicine, etc.

What happened is the religious extremists took over and stopped those advances. This stunted Islamic culture to the present day.

But the same type of thing had happened previously in Christian Europe. When Christianity was adopted by the Roman empire, the religious extremists shut down the remaining attempts to understand the world. Math, science, and medicine suffered for centuries.

It was only when the advances of the Moslem East were transmitted and adopted by the Christian West that advances started again in Europe. That was mostly done by *separating* the investigations from religion and minimizing the effect of religious extremists on the new investigations. Yes, the individuals were mostly religious (since everyone was who wanted to keep their head). But their investigations advanced most when religion was set aside and the physical evidence taken seriously.

We just don't find any Muslim noble prize winners in modern history or any great scientists or any great discoveries in the Islamic world. All of the greatest scientists and discoveries were done by none other than the Jews.
The Jews gave us world peace since the end of WW2 with the bombing of Japan. If the Jewish scientist didn't discover atomic energy, the Japanese and Germans would be ruling the world.

Our pastor teaches us that Islam bought nothing but bloodshed and hatred into the world. The UAE used Christian science to develop their space program, they simply used oil money to by our technology so no credit due there.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Funny how that disagrees with Matthew 1:1-16.

Funny how that disagrees with Matthew 1:1-16.

One is Mary’s lineage, the other is Joseph’s

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

How long did it take the West? The 'basic elements' were only discovered in the 1800's.



Which was the case in Europe as well until very recently. Modern medicine only started advancing when the ties to religious dogma were severed and, for example, dissection of cadavers was allowed. Christianity was more of a hindrance that a help in this advancement.

You have simply confused the Pagan Roman Catholicism with Christianity. We know the Vatican didn't want ordinary people educated and informed, as they relied on people's ignorance to make money. Educated people wouldn't hand over their hard earned money for some guy in a robe to forgive them of their sins and bail their beloved departed from purgatory.
All of the great scientists were either Jews or Christians we don't find any Muslims on the list in the last 1500 years