Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[ElishaElijah]

I see that you are back to calling God a liar. Why do you do this?

By the way, are you aware that Daniel did not write a good part, if any, of Daniel? And you appear to be misinterpreting "prophecies". Part of Daniel appears to have been written as history, not prophecy.

You probably haven’t read the book yourself because there’s quite a bit that has the interpretation already.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You probably haven’t read the book yourself because there’s quite a bit that has the interpretation already.

Do you want to go over it and your unjustified errors? Daniel is continually reinterpreted when its "prophecies" fail.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We just don't find any Muslim noble prize winners in modern history

Did you even read the post you are replying to?
He's talking about ONE THOUSAND YEARS AGO.

And it's "NobEL", not "Noble".

We get it - you hate muslims.

But none of this is on point.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

And Noah’s ark and the flood is also true

Both are demonstrably false.
The "ark" in the given dimensions isn't sea worthy and the flood is physically impossible. Next to that the story also makes testable predictions that don't check out - proving the story is false and that none of it ever occurred.

, resurrection of Jesus -true as well as His return all true.

Mere religious belief on par with any other supernatural claims from any other religion.
No rational reason whatsoever to believe it (and many rational reasons not to).

God predicted the world events happening right now, it’s all in the Scriptures written ahead of time

It's not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We just don't find any Muslim noble prize winners in modern history or any great scientists or any great discoveries in the Islamic world. All of the greatest scientists and discoveries were done by none other than the Jews.
The Jews gave us world peace since the end of WW2 with the bombing of Japan. If the Jewish scientist didn't discover atomic energy, the Japanese and Germans would be ruling the world.

Our pastor teaches us that Islam bought nothing but bloodshed and hatred into the world. The UAE used Christian science to develop their space program, they simply used oil money to by our technology so no credit due there.

None? Here is a link to your favorite source:

List of Muslim Nobel laureates - Wikipedia

 

[ElishaElijah]

Both are demonstrably false.
The "ark" in the given dimensions isn't sea worthy and the flood is physically impossible. Next to that the story also makes testable predictions that don't check out - proving the story is false and that none of it ever occurred.



Mere religious belief on par with any other supernatural claims from any other religion.
No rational reason whatsoever to believe it (and many rational reasons not to).



It's not.

Look at Israel and the world brother.

 

[Subduction Zone]

One is Mary’s lineage, the other is Joseph’s

That is a claim that cannot be properly justified. In fact at one point they had the lineages reversed. It is only an excuse because it is an obvious self contradiction in the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Look at Israel and the world brother.

Anyone who can only say "look at the . . . " has no evidence.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Do you want to go over it and your unjustified errors? Daniel is continually reinterpreted when its "prophecies" fail.

I don’t see any that failed only misinterpretations of scripture that have failed. The prophecies were pretty straight forward on a lot of them, others not so much.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Anyone who can only say "look at the . . . " has no evidence.

So you aren’t familiar with Bible prophecy concerning Israel and the nations rebirth and current state? Probably should look into it

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you aren’t familiar with Bible prophecy concerning Israel and the nations rebirth and current state? Probably should look into it

I am familiar with the failed prophecies of Daniel, but perhaps you might want to try to justify them. I do not wish to be accused of making a strawman argument.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don’t see any that failed only misinterpretations of scripture that have failed. The prophecies were pretty straight forward on a lot of them, others not so much.

The Tyre prophecy was very straight forward It is a failed prophecy. In fact if you read it you should know that it is a two fer. Then there was Jesus's prophecy that the end times would come in the days of the disciples. That was one massively huge failed prophecy. It too was very straight forward.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I am familiar with the failed prophecies of Daniel, but perhaps you might want to try to justify them. I do not wish to be accused of making a strawman argument.

Daniel 2 - that one is accurate, start there. Not sure where your getting your info on it, but it’s already proven history on that concerning what’s already happened.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Daniel 2 - that one is accurate, start there. Not sure where your getting your info on it, but it’s already proven history on that concerning what’s already happened.

Of course it is "historically accurate". Well not quite. It was describing events that happened in the past at the time of the writing.

Do you know when Daniel was written? Do you even know what that "prophecy" was about?

You might want to check out this article:

Vaticinium ex eventu - Wikipedia

 

[Trailblazer]

He said He only gives His elect the capacity to understand and know the truth.

How do you know you are the elect?

So I'm sad to say I can't help you if you don't have the required attributes to receive the software upgrade.

How do you know you have the required attributes?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Look at Israel and the world brother.

What about it?

 

[Trailblazer]

the reality that Islam is 1000 years behind Christianity in every respect.

And Christianity is 2000 years behind the Baha'i Faith in every respect.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So you aren’t familiar with Bible prophecy concerning Israel and the nations rebirth and current state? Probably should look into it

When I go to a restaurant and tell my dinner partner that the waiter will bring me a stake and I then order a steak and the waiter later on brings it to me... Is that fulfillment of prophecy?

 

[paarsurrey]

Let me guess, you were told this by some lady with purple while she read your horoscope you obviously have ZERO reliable sources to base your baseless assertions upon

Pauline-Christianity is based on a fake vision of Paul (and the credulous Pauline-Christians, mislead by him believe it) with below mentioned false creeds, I understand:

1. Jesus s/o Mary died a cursed death on the Cross (with no reliable eyewitness to narrate it)
2. to lift the burden of the sins of the sinful Christians including (sinful) Paul and the (sinful) disciples and or the (sinful) Apostles
3. Jesus s/o Mary rose from the dead, (it is false concept), as he did not die on the Cross to start with, (it was crafted to make Jesus God, which is never true).
4. And then Jesus s/o Mary secretly traveled to Galilee (a false pretext, if Jesus s/o Mary was God then he needed not to move about secretly)
5. and from Galilee Jesus s/o Mary ascended to the skies (another false claim, if Jesus was God he would have ascended to skies right from Golgotha where he was put on the Cross)
6. (What facility is there in Galilee that made it easier for Jesus to ascend to sky from Galilee that was not available in Golgotha)
7. And Jesus sat on the right hand of God-the-Father and the (sinful) spectators saw him seated (none mentioned by names and other verifiable antecedents of them)
8. (And none of them mentioned as to how long did they see Jesus in the sky and then he disappeared from the sky, and why can't they see him now seated there.)

(Sinful) Paul in a way made confession (of his guilt) later:

"1 Corinthians 15:13-15
13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15 In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God."

1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith.

Yes, Paul is exposed that he faked the vision and corrupted the Gospels to fit his Anti-Christ ideas (agenda). Right, please?
This is the basis of the Pauline-Christianity whatever their denomination, be they the (sinful) Catholics or Protestants or the later denominations like JWs or LDS or the Bahais who believe Jesus died on the Cross.
Right, please?
The above denominations/religions may refute the above argument, please .
The above is the status of Pauline-Mythical-Jesus who never existed, I understand. I however respect innocent Jesus s/o Mary the Messenger/Prophet of God sent to the Jews, let it to be very clear here.
I am an ordinary man in the street with no claim of any piety or any scholarship, correct/convince me if I am wrong, please.

Regards

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Al Haytham.



Was it their Judaism that did it or the fact that they were scientists?



Well, your pastor is wrong about that. Islam, just like Christianity, has brought a LOT of bloodshed, that is certainly true. But they have both great cultural achievements to their credit. The recent problems in the Islamic world are due to the extremists, just like the problems in Europe for ages were the Christian extremists.

Religious extremism *in any guise* is a problem. ANY time religious views are seen as more important than the facts, there will be problems. And that is whether those extremists are Moslem, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, or Hindu.

Ultimately, the problem with religious faith is exactly that it is *faith*. The extremists will *always* take that faith as reason to deny reality and to claim those who disagree deserve death.

There is no provision for undue violence or extremism, in Christianity. You can't blame Christianity for what some reprobate group with an evil agenda did in the name of Christianity. These evil, acts are known as false flag operations, where someone poses as someone else to commit crime and all the sheeple fall for the deception and take revenge on the innocent party.

Jesus established Christianity, He never in-sighted violent revolts against those of different religious or political persuasion. He never preached hatred or promoted terrorism, as Mohammad did. He taught conquest by the sword and beheading if the subject refused to convert to Islam.

Christianity is not like the other religions, we don't use violence or war to push our faith on anyone. Our religion is by invitation only, it's not available to all as the rest are.