Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Al Haytham. Wrote the central discussion of optics until Newton came along.

In some senses he was one of the first scientists. Europe didn't catch up for hundreds of years.

It's a funny thing that nobody ever mentions this person, I would bet that 99% of the people in the world have never heard of him but everyone knows the great ones.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

There is no reliable record of that. All that you have is a book of myths that makes that claim.

And we know that the Red Sea story never happened.

I not only have read the Bible, I have understood it.

I like your sense of humour, you don't really expect me to take this bait.

the whole world knows for a fact that the Bible is the only reliable truth that exists, everything else is subjective, circular reasoning dung

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

No, you have only made false claims about it that you could not support. Like it or not it is a far more reliable source than you have ever used.

By the way, shouldn't a Christian follow the Ten Commandments?

I did regrettably use wikipedia on a few occasions and found the material was the same old subjective circular reasoning dung. So why would I go back for more of that stuff

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You're dodging again.

History is history.
Algebra comes from the islamic world.
Why do you think our numeric system are called arabic numbers?

You seem to be drowning in conspiratory nonsense.

Islam didn't exist when Algebra was discovered, Mohammad introduced inbreeding much later and that caused a big brain drain in Arab lands

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

I can't know what the evidence looks like if everybody consistently refuses to present it.

However, after months of people claiming to have evidence and consistently failing / refusing to present it, I'm going to conclude that they are lying and that no such evidence exists.

It's not like I have another choice.

Do you expect me to just believe you on your word that you have "irrefutable proof" and then just accept your claims without actually ever being presented with this "irrefutable proof"?

Think again.

If you have evidence / proof, then present it.
Otherwise I'm just going to assume that this evidence / proof does not exist.

So please, for the bazillionth time, if you have such evidence / proof, then present it.

What's with the hold up?






Any time you wish to present the evidence you claim you have........................................

Don't expect me to accept your claims without said evidence.

You finally admitted my point when you said, "I can't know what the evidence looks like" This is the stumbling block I've been warning you about, you haven't found the truth as you don't know what it looks like. So you're a cop looking for a murderer in a big crowd, but you have no description of him.
Good luck finding him

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

So I guess this means you won't be taking the bet then. Funny.

Owkay. What source would you accept?


Also, you never answered my question: are you a follower of the QAnon folks?

I only accept sources which present proven facts, with confirmed eye witnesses. Whats QAnon, is that some kind of a death cult?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Your not-so-well-hidden pseudo-racist assessment of the present islamic world does not, in any way, change anything about the fact that during it's golden age, it was the epicenter of scientific advancement while christian europe was in its dark age burning knowledge books instead of writing them.

1000 years ago, the roles were reversed.

Why is there no reliable evidence to support this notion that Islam actually has some technology 1000 years ago. I did read about the Islamic terrorists who looted the Jewish State of Jerusalem and took all of the scientific instruments and books back to their Arabic countries,
History shows that the Jews were the first to give the world science and technology, then Christians equally contributed from 2000 years ago up to today.
It interesting that only One Muslim name appears on the long list of scientists in history and his contribution was so insignificant that we never hear about him

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

None? Here is a link to your favorite source:

List of Muslim Nobel laureates - Wikipedia

Only 3 in obscure unimportant sciences and they were voted for in an attempt to build bridges between the isolated and closed Islamic world and the free world.
Those prizes lost their value in recent times, they used to be prestigious and now they hand them out to mentally ill kids like Greta Thunberg

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

And Christianity is 2000 years behind the Baha'i Faith in every respect.

How many of you are there, I've never heard of your cult before. Do you guys worship one of the Greek gods like Eros?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Pauline-Christianity is based on a fake vision of Paul (and the credulous Pauline-Christians, mislead by him believe it) with below mentioned false creeds, I understand:

1. Jesus s/o Mary died a cursed death on the Cross (with no reliable eyewitness to narrate it)
2. to lift the burden of the sins of the sinful Christians including (sinful) Paul and the (sinful) disciples and or the (sinful) Apostles
3. Jesus s/o Mary rose from the dead, (it is false concept), as he did not die on the Cross to start with, (it was crafted to make Jesus God, which is never true).
4. And then Jesus s/o Mary secretly traveled to Galilee (a false pretext, if Jesus s/o Mary was God then he needed not to move about secretly)
5. and from Galilee Jesus s/o Mary ascended to the skies (another false claim, if Jesus was God he would have ascended to skies right from Golgotha where he was put on the Cross)
6. (What facility is there in Galilee that made it easier for Jesus to ascend to sky from Galilee that was not available in Golgotha)
7. And Jesus sat on the right hand of God-the-Father and the (sinful) spectators saw him seated (none mentioned by names and other verifiable antecedents of them)
8. (And none of them mentioned as to how long did they see Jesus in the sky and then he disappeared from the sky, and why can't they see him now seated there.)

(Sinful) Paul in a way made confession (of his guilt) later:

"1 Corinthians 15:13-15
13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15 In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God."

1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith.

Yes, Paul is exposed that he faked the vision and corrupted the Gospels to fit his Anti-Christ ideas (agenda). Right, please?
This is the basis of the Pauline-Christianity whatever their denomination, be they the (sinful) Catholics or Protestants or the later denominations like JWs or LDS or the Bahais who believe Jesus died on the Cross.
Right, please?
The above denominations/religions may refute the above argument, please .
The above is the status of Pauline-Mythical-Jesus who never existed, I understand. I however respect innocent Jesus s/o Mary the Messenger/Prophet of God sent to the Jews, let it to be very clear here.
I am an ordinary man in the street with no claim of any piety or any scholarship, correct/convince me if I am wrong, please.

Regards

I don't have access to your brains hard drive so I can reprogram you to receive the truth. Only God can do that, so won't waste time attempting to do something which your filter has a "Access Denied" sign.

I can't undo years of programming in a short session, it would take a lot of counselling to prepare you for the cold hard facts

 

[Subduction Zone]

I like your sense of humour, you don't really expect me to take this bait.

the whole world knows for a fact that the Bible is the only reliable truth that exists, everything else is subjective, circular reasoning dung

What "bait". It is simply a fact. Several times I have said that something was in the Bible and you denied it and I was correct and you claimed that something is in the Bible but you were never able to show it.

Do you care to play that game again? If one person claims that something is in the Bible one must support it with verses from the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's a funny thing that nobody ever mentions this person, I would bet that 99% of the people in the world have never heard of him but everyone knows the great ones.

This is a wester based culture. Of course those of our own culture are remembered before others.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only 3 in obscure unimportant sciences and they were voted for in an attempt to build bridges between the isolated and closed Islamic world and the free world.
Those prizes lost their value in recent times, they used to be prestigious and now they hand them out to mentally ill kids like Greta Thunberg

And you were shown to be wrong again and you could not admit it. I am not surprised.

By the way, The reason that Islam lost its position in the world is said largely due to the same sort of reasoning that you appear to have. They suffered the disease of fundamentalism.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did regrettably use wikipedia on a few occasions and found the material was the same old subjective circular reasoning dung. So why would I go back for more of that stuff

The problem is that you have demonstrated that you do not even understand what circular reasoning is nor have you ever been able to justify that claim. So in essence you just admitted that Wikipedia is a valid source.

If you want to have your posts mean anything you must be able to support some claims at least now and then.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How many of you are there, I've never heard of your cult before. Do you guys worship one of the Greek gods like Eros?

People that live in glass houses dude!

Seriously it is against the rules to call the religion of another group a cult And since you regularly display cultic reasoning here you are the last person that should call someone else's religion a cult.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why is there no reliable evidence to support this notion that Islam actually has some technology 1000 years ago. I did read about the Islamic terrorists who looted the Jewish State of Jerusalem and took all of the scientific instruments and books back to their Arabic countries,
History shows that the Jews were the first to give the world science and technology, then Christians equally contributed from 2000 years ago up to today.
It interesting that only One Muslim name appears on the long list of scientists in history and his contribution was so insignificant that we never hear about him

No one is saying that they had technology. They had scientific knowledge that was ahead of the rest of the world at that time.

Why do you always take things to extremes.

 

[night912]

Why is there no reliable evidence to support this notion that Islam actually has some technology 1000 years ago. I did read about the Islamic terrorists who looted the Jewish State of Jerusalem and took all of the scientific instruments and books back to their Arabic countries,
History shows that the Jews were the first to give the world science and technology, then Christians equally contributed from 2000 years ago up to today.
It interesting that only One Muslim name appears on the long list of scientists in history and his contribution was so insignificant that we never hear about him

It's interesting that there are numerous Christians that appear on the long list of scientists in history that have made great contributions in the scientific community, and yet, you have rejected the majority of those Christians' scientific work and discoveries. Instead, you choose to accept the work of pseudoscientist who have made little to no significant contributions to the scientific community.

 

[paarsurrey]

I don't have access to your brains hard drive so I can reprogram you to receive the truth. Only God can do that, so won't waste time attempting to do something which your filter has a "Access Denied" sign.

I can't undo years of programming in a short session, it would take a lot of counselling to prepare you for the cold hard facts

In other words, has one shied away from giving any reasonable and good answers, please? Right friend, please?
Pauline-Christianity is the breeding ground of Atheism, I understand. Right friend, please?
Which denomination Pauline-Christianity of one belongs to, please?

Regards

 

[Polymath257]

There is no provision for undue violence or extremism, in Christianity. You can't blame Christianity for what some reprobate group with an evil agenda did in the name of Christianity. These evil, acts are known as false flag operations, where someone poses as someone else to commit crime and all the sheeple fall for the deception and take revenge on the innocent party.

Jesus established Christianity, He never in-sighted violent revolts against those of different religious or political persuasion. He never preached hatred or promoted terrorism, as Mohammad did. He taught conquest by the sword and beheading if the subject refused to convert to Islam.

Christianity is not like the other religions, we don't use violence or war to push our faith on anyone. Our religion is by invitation only, it's not available to all as the rest are.

Many people who believed in the divinity of Jesus and that he was the Son of God committed atrocities.

These were people who consistently throughout their lives aid they believed in Christianity.

 

[Polymath257]

It's a funny thing that nobody ever mentions this person, I would bet that 99% of the people in the world have never heard of him but everyone knows the great ones.

He was one of the great ones. Most people are ignorant of history, especially of the history of science.

Most people have never hear of Euler, but he was a great mathematician. Most people have never heard of Maxwell, but he was a great physicist. Most people have never heard of Charlemagne, but he was a great French ruler. Most people have never heard of MOST of the medieval scholars. That doesn't mean they weren't great scholars.

Like I said, Al Haytham was one of the first real scientists. He studied optics, primarily, but was also a mathematician. his writings were very well known in Europe until Newton's work went much further.