Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[ElishaElijah]

Citation needed. Where are those claims made in the Dead Sea scrolls?

And yes, the examples of Daniel found in the Dead Sea Scrolls are all either Herodian or Hasmonean. Making them date from 140 BCE at the oldest. That is well after the historical events in Daniel.

If you read it it appears that you did not understand it.

I do understand it, although Wikipedia isn’t my source but yours, so I decided to use a common source. Some dates back to 600 BC, also have to look at the prophecies that were written ahead of time that Jesus Christ fulfilled.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do understand it, although Wikipedia isn’t my source but yours, so I decided to use a common source. Some dates back to 600 BC, also have to look at the prophecies that were written ahead of time that Jesus Christ fulfilled.

Yes, some date that far back. None of the Daniel fragments date that far back. There are quite a few scroll that have been found. Only a few were from Daniel.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes, some date that far back. None of the Daniel fragments date that far back. There are quite a few scroll that have been found. Only a few were from Daniel.

If you read Daniel then you realize there are still future events to come to pass, Ezekiel prophesies that Israel would become a nation again (resurrected you could say) and in 1948 they did, so many. The most significant is Jesus Christ, where he would be born, called a Nazarene, die on the cross, rise from the dead all recorded and verified ahead of time by the Dead Sea Schrolls discovery.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you read Daniel then you realize there are still future events to come to pass, Ezekiel prophesies that Israel would become a nation and in 1948 they did, so many. The most significant is Jesus Christ, where he would be born, called a Nazarene, die on the cross, rise from the dead all recorded and verified ahead of time by the Dead Sea Schrolls discovery.

Vague prophecies of events likely to happen are failed prophecies. Prophecies with more than one interpretation are failed prophecies.

Do you have any that are not failed prophecies?

 

[Subduction Zone]

By the way, there is no prediction of a "Nazarene". That was an error in Matthew.

 

[ElishaElijah]

By the way, there is no prediction of a "Nazarene". That was an error in Matthew.

By the way, there is no prediction of a "Nazarene". That was an error in Matthew.

You’re saying error but you don’t know, You’re saying after the fact but not the case. There are specific prophecies in that chapter that Jesus fulfilled. That’s just one chapter.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

What "bait". It is simply a fact. Several times I have said that something was in the Bible and you denied it and I was correct and you claimed that something is in the Bible but you were never able to show it.

Do you care to play that game again? If one person claims that something is in the Bible one must support it with verses from the Bible.

God only gave the gift of discernment of His Word to His children, and nobody else would be able to interpret or understand anything in the Bible. God has hidden the truth from unbelievers, so you're asking me to trust you over God.
It's always amusing to see how unbelievers get everything in the Bible wrong, you guys don't even get the most basic concepts let alone the deep theology

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

And you were shown to be wrong again and you could not admit it. I am not surprised.

By the way, The reason that Islam lost its position in the world is said largely due to the same sort of reasoning that you appear to have. They suffered the disease of fundamentalism.

3 awards may as well be zero of the thousands handed out to Christians and Jews, so it's funny how they represent 1/4 of the worlds population and they only manages to 0.03 of the awards

Islamic countries have never been able to prosper in any way, they restrain people who want to excel in education, technology or business. They just focus on teaching the children to recite the Koran, which doesn't equip them to make any positive contribution to their country

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

It's interesting that there are numerous Christians that appear on the long list of scientists in history that have made great contributions in the scientific community, and yet, you have rejected the majority of those Christians' scientific work and discoveries. Instead, you choose to accept the work of pseudoscientist who have made little to no significant contributions to the scientific community.

Pseudo science is secular science, christian science is true science

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

In other words, has one shied away from giving any reasonable and good answers, please? Right friend, please?
Pauline-Christianity is the breeding ground of Atheism, I understand. Right friend, please?
Which denomination Pauline-Christianity of one belongs to, please?

Regards

I'm not sure who came up with the dumb term pauline-christianity but it makes no sense at all. Paul preached everything that Jesus instructed him to, he never ever uttered a word of his own. Every word of Paul was given to him directly by the Lord Jesus Christ, so it was Jesus speaking through Paul so there's only one Christianity and a lot of ignorant dumb people making dumb unfounded claims

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Many people who believed in the divinity of Jesus and that he was the Son of God committed atrocities.

These were people who consistently throughout their lives aid they believed in Christianity.

No Christian ever committed a single atrocity, what you have is wicked unbelievers blaspheming the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and doing evil acts in His name. Evildoers do evil in their own name, they will pay for ever single sin in hell.

No intelligent person would ever believe that Jesus taught anyone to do evil, this is a lie from the pits of hell to turn people away from the only saviour of mankind.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Obscure, unimportant sciences like Physics and Chemistry? Really?

I said obscure because their contributions didn't contribute much to science overall, this is why they were quickly forgotten

 

[paarsurrey]

God only gave the gift of discernment of His Word to His children, and nobody else would be able to interpret or understand anything in the Bible. God has hidden the truth from unbelievers, so you're asking me to trust you over God.
It's always amusing to see how unbelievers get everything in the Bible wrong, you guys don't even get the most basic concepts let alone the deep theology

Magenta ^.
But (sinful) Paul was not one of them, I understand. Paul with his associates and the Pauline-Church, together was/ were Anti-Christ or Dajjal -the Deceiver, I figure, please. Right?
Is it for this that the Pauline-Church has become the breeding ground for Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism etc., please?
Why don't the Catholicism, Protestantism (the old denominations) together with the new one's like JWs, LDS and Bahaism people make a joint effort to reclaim them back, please? Right?

Regards

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

I find the Quran, Sunnah and other islamic scripture to be true.

I would believe the Quran too, if God didn't warn us about Mohammad. Jesus warned us not to believe anyone who comes as a prophet after Him. He said they will be false prophets teaching the doctrine of Demons.

Mohammad never performed a single miracle to prove that he was a prophet, so that's another this which exposes him as a false prophet. The Bible commands Gods people to stone false prophets

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You trying to insult muslims?

No I don't insult anyone, I just stated a historical fact as I read it in several books which all make that same claim

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Quote mining is not going to help you.

I mean that I can't know in advance what the evidence is that you claim you have access to while I don't.
You have to show it to me first.





If I claim I saw aliens last night "and I have irrefutable proof" without showing you that proof, would you then know what my supposed evidence looks like?

You make zero sense.

In all honesty and seriousness, you seem very much out of touch with reality.

You don't make any sense at all,you claim to be looking for something which you have no clue about. So how will you know it if you do happen to come across it.

The way I see your position is, you will believe any snake oil salesman as long as he's good enough to deceive you. The only way you could avoid being deceived by these masters would be to become the smartest person in the world and I wish you lots of luck with that one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God only gave the gift of discernment of His Word to His children, and nobody else would be able to interpret or understand anything in the Bible. God has hidden the truth from unbelievers, so you're asking me to trust you over God.
It's always amusing to see how unbelievers get everything in the Bible wrong, you guys don't even get the most basic concepts let alone the deep theology

From your posts and your opposition to the teachings of Jesus you do not appear to have "discernment"

And you just claimed that your God was evil again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No Christian ever committed a single atrocity, what you have is wicked unbelievers blaspheming the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and doing evil acts in His name. Evildoers do evil in their own name, they will pay for ever single sin in hell.

No intelligent person would ever believe that Jesus taught anyone to do evil, this is a lie from the pits of hell to turn people away from the only saviour of mankind.

Sorry, this is just a No True Scotsman fallacy on your part. There have been countless Christians that have committed atrocities.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You’re saying error but you don’t know, You’re saying after the fact but not the case. There are specific prophecies in that chapter that Jesus fulfilled. That’s just one chapter.

Actually I do know. I would not have made that error. And Matthew especially has been shown to rewrite stories so that they would "fulfill prophecy". You are once again making the error of circular reasoning. The Bible is the claim, it is not the evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

3 awards may as well be zero of the thousands handed out to Christians and Jews, so it's funny how they represent 1/4 of the worlds population and they only manages to 0.03 of the awards

Islamic countries have never been able to prosper in any way, they restrain people who want to excel in education, technology or business. They just focus on teaching the children to recite the Koran, which doesn't equip them to make any positive contribution to their country

Thousands? Really?