Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Polymath257]

I said obscure because their contributions didn't contribute much to science overall, this is why they were quickly forgotten

But they were NOT forgotten. They were awarded one of the most prestigious prizes a scientist can get for the science they did.

Most people don't know most of the Nobel Prize recipients, even if they are very well known *in their areas*.

 

[Polymath257]

You got it the wrong way around. Christian science is true science and secular science teaches lies like the big bang bunkum and the insane evolution theory. Christian science is sensible and fact based, while pseudo science is just sci fi ****

Nope. Secular science is evidence based, NOT faith based.

Whether you want to admit it or not, the *science* shows the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. It also shows that the universe is expanding and was once much hotter and denser (the Big Bang model). And it shows that species change over geological time (evolution).

 

[paarsurrey]

There's no such thing as pauline-church, I don't find anything in history with this foolish and ignorant idea. Where did this dumb idea come from? = let me guess a sick and deluded mind.

Paul proclaimed the same gospel as the Lord Jesus Christ did, there's is nothing new or contradictory with what Paul teaches and proclaims.

Paul previously known as Saul, was persecuting and executing Christians before Jesus came to him and renewed him by giving him a new Spirit. So he was born again and he received the Holy Spirit and became a new person and a Saint, just like the rest of us born again Saints.

Magenta ^.

"This chapter considers what the Pauline epistles reveal about the nature of the Pauline churches and to this end looks at a range of issues: their genus; their formation; their composition; how Paul configures their identity; their leadership structure; their rituals; their meetings; the kinds of places in which they met. The discussion reflects the state of contemporary scholarship on the Pauline communities, but it also seeks to make a fresh contribution to the subject. A critique of the now dominant ‘house-church’ reconstruction of the Pauline congregations is offered, and a more diversified picture is proposed."

Keywords: ecclesiology, ekklēsia, house church, meeting places, New Testament ecclesiology, Pauline churches, rituals
Shape of the Pauline Churches - Oxford Handbooks

Right?

Regards

 

[sojourner]

I only accept sources which present proven facts, with confirmed eye witnesses. Whats QAnon, is that some kind of a death cult?

None of the gospel writers was an eyewitness, and there are very few provable “facts” about Jesus. Yet you accept the gospels as sources.

 

[sojourner]

I've never heard of your cult before.

Seems you don’t know as much as you think you know.

 

[sojourner]

There are thousands of highly educated and reliable Bible scholars who have written books with detailed answers to your questions.
Many have devoted their entire lives studying the Bible and it's writers. The Bible only has One author but many wrote what He revealed to them.
Every other ancient culture and religion have become extinct, they have all died and gone forever.They are forgotten forever but the Bible remains eternal because it's God's eternal Word and it will dominate mankind in every age to come.
Notice how nobody ever talks about other gods of the past or other religions that came and died but the whole world is always talking about the Lord Jesus Christ

You’re making an awful lot of “fact claims” with no backing evidence. That means they’re not fact claims at all. Fact claim and Faith claim are not the same thing.

 

[sojourner]

thousands witnessed Christ after He rose from the dead, thousands witnessed Him perform miracles, millions saw God open the red sea and the Egyptian army drown,etc. You ask some very strange question for someone who supposedly read the Bible.

Where are their accounts? Not one eyewitness wrote anything.

 

[Polymath257]

The ancient Greeks, Babylonians, Egyptians, Persians, Mayan Indians and others used advanced mathematics well before Islam emerged. I'm not sure how much credit we can give the Muslims for using the existing knowledge and develop it a bit further.

But that is what *every* culture does: it takes what was known before and adds to it.

The Islamic thinkers made *huge* advances. To the point that now we think of many of those advances as trivial. But they weren't. For example, the concept of a number line is now taught to kindergartners. But it was clearly NOT a part of Greek, Egyptian or Babylonian mathematics. In fact, just the opposite: geometry and number theory were seen as very distinct areas with no cross-over.

One of the ways you can tell a true genius is that some topic was difficult to impossible before them and taught in basic courses after. By this standard, there were many Islamic mathematicians that were geniuses.

In the area of cubic equations, the Islamic mathematicians again went well beyond what anyone had done before. One of the best ALSO wrote poetry and may even be known to you: Omar Kayyam.

The Christian scientists were suppressed by Pagan Roman Catholicism, they had to hide their knowledge from the Pope as it didn't match the teaching of the Vatican.

Roman Catholicism is the version of Christianity that chose which books would be included in the Bible. It was also the version that decided that the divinity of Jesus was central to Christianity. Remember that the main contender for early Catholicism was Arianism. And the Arians did NOT believe that Jesus was actually human.

The Astronomer Galileo, was arrested and forced to renounce his discoveries as false. So that may be the reason the Christian west didn't make any great advances for a long time.

The difficulties happened long before that. Galileo, if anything, represented the beginning of science in Europe. Because of the Protestant revolution, Galileo's ideas were able to spread, even though they were not allowed to spread in Catholic areas. of course, the Protestants also had issues: most of the 'witch burnings' were from Protestant areas, not Catholic ones. And Calvin was not exactly a wonderful leader of Geneva.

Galileo was at the beginning of the 1600's. Newton was later 1600's to early 1700's. Plenty of other advances were made during the 1600's, including an early steam engine.

It's also the case that Catholic Europe was much more tolerant of new ideas before the Black Plague went through. During the 12th and 13th centuries, in particular, the Catholic universities were places of great intellectual striving. Many basic concepts, such as inertia and the idea that theory should be able to agree with observation, were developed at that time. But, that was also *after* the re-introduction of Greek ideas by the translation of Islamic texts after the crusades and the reconquest of Spain.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yep, the kebab sure was advanced. It changed the world forever so it deserves the utmost respect

You know so little of your world outside of you book of myths.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Paul preached the same gospel as the other 4 gospel writers. You can't just make false allegations and hope to get away with it. You get away with nothing, you just make it clear that your pushing a false agenda and it stands utterly exposed when the light of truth is shone upon it

This is a claim that tells us that you have not studied the Bible. It is one which you cannot justify. There were clear teachings of Paul that went against the teachings of Jesus.

Some of Paul's teachings were the same. If you scoured his writings I know that you would find some. But there are some that are not taught by Jesus at all.

I made no false allegations and you could not justify the error that you made. Again, you need to study your book of myths.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You got it the wrong way around. Christian science is true science and secular science teaches lies like the big bang bunkum and the insane evolution theory. Christian science is sensible and fact based, while pseudo science is just sci fi ****

You do not even know what science is or how it works. Right now you are using quite a bit of science that traces its routes to a known homosexual. He was eventually killed by the society that could not accept him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It’s hard to understand where you’re coming from so you just believe someone or a group of people wrote and recorded Psalms, Prophets and the Old Testament after the fact?

No, they were not all written after the fact. You do not appear to understand what it takes for a prophecy to be a valid one.

Tell me, if I predicted that you would see a red car the next time that you drove on a freeway, and you saw one, does that make me a prophet on the order of biblical ones? If not then why not?

 

[sojourner]

You can easily verify the veracity of the Bible by the large number of eye witnesses, who all recorded the same events even though they never knew each other. These were all independent eye witnesses and you just don't find this kind of proof with any other historical accounts of anything.

Yeah, that’s not how it was, and that’s not how it works. Your post is fraudulent with regard to the facts it puts forth.

 

[Polymath257]

Yep, the kebab sure was advanced. It changed the world forever so it deserves the utmost respect

The development of polynomial algebra, of trigonometry, of techniques of approximation, of spherical trigonometry, etc. Those *did* change the world.

Of course, others built on those advances, but that doesn't change the fact that they were great advances.

Islamic science was the best in the world in 1000AD. Europe at that time was a backwater. By 1700AD, those roles were reversed. The reason is that religious extremists took over in one area and secular science arose in the other.

 

[sojourner]

Please don't waste your time or anyone else's time by referring to wikipedia for any reliable information. Any fool can make any claim, so it's open slather and that makes it a great big pile of junk

None of that matters if the facts put forth are reliable. In this case they are reliable.

 

[Polymath257]

Paul preached the same gospel as the other 4 gospel writers. You can't just make false allegations and hope to get away with it. You get away with nothing, you just make it clear that your pushing a false agenda and it stands utterly exposed when the light of truth is shone upon it

If you actually read the 4 gospels and then read what Paul wrote, you cannot help to see the differences.

For one thing, the Jesus of the gospels was devoted to preaching to the Jews. Paul had the innovation of preaching to the Gentiles. Most of the original Christians (including Jesus' brother, James) were against Paul's teachings.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah, that’s not how it was, and that’s not how it works. Your post is fraudulent with regard to the facts it puts forth.

Unfortunately we see this behavior with people that belong to some of the Christian cults. Not all Christians belong to cults. In fact rather few do. They more than make up for their small numbers with their volume. Those that do belong to such cults tend to be very noisy and very ignorant of their own Bible. They claim that it has things that it does not and deny what it actually says even if one quotes it at times. Rampant racism, homophobia, and xenophobia is often associates with these cults. For example the Westboro Baptist Church is one such cult.

 

[night912]

You got it the wrong way around. Christian science is true science and secular science teaches lies like the big bang bunkum and the insane evolution theory. Christian science is sensible and fact based, while pseudo science is just sci fi ****

News flash, there are even less Nobel prize winners for Christian science than muslims winners for secular science. So apparently Islam beats Christianity. Too bad that the all of Christian winners are practitioners of secular science. Too bad, you chose the wrong team of Christian scientists otherwise you could've beaten "team" Muslims.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, they were not all written after the fact. You do not appear to understand what it takes for a prophecy to be a valid one.

Tell me, if I predicted that you would see a red car the next time that you drove on a freeway, and you saw one, does that make me a prophet on the order of biblical ones? If not then why not?

Never mind man too much double talk, can’t tell what you’re trying to say but oh well, to vague and just asked a straight up question.

 

[sojourner]

You can't force a judge to face the evidence, when he's hell bent on ignoring it. Nobody has looked at the evidence, that should ring alarm bells for any intelligent person but it's obvious they're in short supply these days. Most people blindly believe whatever CNN or NBC tell them and they never ever question, since ignorance is bliss and we wouldn't want to wake them up now would we

Ok. I got your number with this post. This is the love child of Q Anon and Josh Hawley. Not worth wasting the bandwidth.