Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Actually, the Islamic world made *huge* advances in algebra (cubic polynomials, general polynomials, etc), trigonometry (including spherical trigonometry), arithmetic (they didn't invent the decimal system, but they certainly made it into a usable system for calculation), the concept of a 'number line' (previously, numbers and geometry were treated separately).

The 'brain drain' in the Moslem world happened *much* later.

The ancient Greeks, Babylonians, Egyptians, Persians, Mayan Indians and others used advanced mathematics well before Islam emerged. I'm not sure how much credit we can give the Muslims for using the existing knowledge and develop it a bit further.
The Christian scientists were suppressed by Pagan Roman Catholicism, they had to hide their knowledge from the Pope as it didn't match the teaching of the Vatican.

The Astronomer Galileo, was arrested and forced to renounce his discoveries as false. So that may be the reason the Christian west didn't make any great advances for a long time.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Actually I do know. I would not have made that error. And Matthew especially has been shown to rewrite stories so that they would "fulfill prophecy". You are once again making the error of circular reasoning. The Bible is the claim, it is not the evidence.

You’re wrong in your assumptions because you aren’t sure what prophecy Mathew is referring to but assuming it’s a mistake. The other prophecies in that chapter we do have references for.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

And now comes the honesty/dishonesty test. What is that test? Here's an easy explanation, if you really believe in what you said above, then you won't bring up Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc as an argument that they murdered numerous people because they were atheists and/or atheism. And obviously, if you do bring that up, that would mean that you passed the test and you're being dishonest.

Let's see if you will pass the test or not. Good luck.

All of those evil dictators were very religious, you can't deny the fact that Atheism is a religion. Both Hitler and Stalin were Ashkenazi (Zionist Jews), Mao and Pol Pot were Buddhists, but none of them claimed to be motivated by their religious views.
So we can't say they used the false flag method of deception, but we can dismiss all the false claims that Christians omitted any evil against anyone

 

[Subduction Zone]

The ancient Greeks, Babylonians, Egyptians, Persians, Mayan Indians and others used advanced mathematics well before Islam emerged. I'm not sure how much credit we can give the Muslims for using the existing knowledge and develop it a bit further.
The Christian scientists were suppressed by Pagan Roman Catholicism, they had to hide their knowledge from the Pope as it didn't match the teaching of the Vatican.

The Astronomer Galileo, was arrested and forced to renounce his discoveries as false. So that may be the reason the Christian west didn't make any great advances for a long time.

Perhaps advanced for you, but not advanced compared to what the Muslims did.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All of those evil dictators were very religious, you can't deny the fact that Atheism is a religion. Both Hitler and Stalin were Ashkenazi (Zionist Jews), Mao and Pol Pot were Buddhists, but none of them claimed to be motivated by their religious views.
So we can't say they used the false flag method of deception, but we can dismiss all the false claims that Christians omitted any evil against anyone

Actually if anything Hitler was a Christian.

Sorry.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You’re wrong in your assumptions because you aren’t sure what prophecy Mathew is referring to but assuming it’s a mistake. The other prophecies in that chapter we do have references for.

I made no assumptions. If you actually studied Matthew you would know this.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Magenta ^.
But (sinful) Paul was not one of them, I understand. Paul with his associates and the Pauline-Church, together was/ were Anti-Christ or Dajjal -the Deceiver, I figure, please. Right?
Is it for this that the Pauline-Church has become the breeding ground for Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism etc., please?
Why don't the Catholicism, Protestantism (the old denominations) together with the new one's like JWs, LDS and Bahaism people make a joint effort to reclaim them back, please? Right?

Regards

There's no such thing as pauline-church, I don't find anything in history with this foolish and ignorant idea. Where did this dumb idea come from? = let me guess a sick and deluded mind.

Paul proclaimed the same gospel as the Lord Jesus Christ did, there's is nothing new or contradictory with what Paul teaches and proclaims.

Paul previously known as Saul, was persecuting and executing Christians before Jesus came to him and renewed him by giving him a new Spirit. So he was born again and he received the Holy Spirit and became a new person and a Saint, just like the rest of us born again Saints.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I made no assumptions. If you actually studied Matthew you would know this.

I made no assumptions. If you actually studied Matthew you would know this.

Are you saying that all the prophecies about the future nations, Israel and Jesus Christ that were written in Psalms, Prophets the whole Old Testament that were found called the Dead Sea Scrolls were written after the fact and compiled in the Bible?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Actually if anything Hitler was a Christian.

Sorry.

Hitler proved that he was Antichrist, beyond a shadow of doubt. You really go off the scale with some of your outrageous comments. Show me where Jesus taught or commanded Christians to commit genocide, you have no idea how dumb your comment sounds to any half intelligent person.

Don't bother trying to justify your rude and ignorant comment, as there is no justification for wanton blatant slander.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There's no such thing as pauline-church, I don't find anything in history with this foolish and ignorant idea. Where did this dumb idea come from? = let me guess a sick and deluded mind.

Paul proclaimed the same gospel as the Lord Jesus Christ did, there's is nothing new or contradictory with what Paul teaches and proclaims.

Paul previously known as Saul, was persecuting and executing Christians before Jesus came to him and renewed him by giving him a new Spirit. So he was born again and he received the Holy Spirit and became a new person and a Saint, just like the rest of us born again Saints.

Paul never changed his name. He was always Saul to the Hebrews and Paul to the Romans. That is all. There was no "previously known". That is a mistaken interpretation of the Bible.

And no, Paul's teachings were quite different from those of the Gospels. . .. Oh I see, you are now saying that the Gospels were wrong. You might have a point there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hitler proved that he was Antichrist, beyond a shadow of doubt. You really go off the scale with some of your outrageous comments. Show me where Jesus taught or commanded Christians to commit genocide, you have no idea how dumb your comment sounds to any half intelligent person.

Don't bother trying to justify your rude and ignorant comment, as there is no justification for wanton blatant slander.

Jesus did not have to teach that. It appears that you do not know what a Christian is. A Christian is merely someone that believes the Jesus myths.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you saying that all the prophecies about the future nations, Israel and Jesus Christ that were written in Psalms, Prophets the whole Old Testament that were found called the Dead Sea Scrolls were written after the fact and compiled in the Bible?

Those are all failed prophecies. Do you want to know why? New nations are to be expected. In fact the only "fulfilled" prophecies in the Bible are ones on the order of "When you go out on the freeway you will see a red car". Specific prophecies tend to fail. And fail rather badly.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Perhaps advanced for you, but not advanced compared to what the Muslims did.

Yep, the kebab sure was advanced. It changed the world forever so it deserves the utmost respect

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Jesus did not have to teach that. It appears that you do not know what a Christian is. A Christian is merely someone that believes the Jesus myths.

A Christian is someone who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and someone who would gladly die for the honour of His Name. This makes Christian warriors the most dangerous to their enemies as we have no fear of death.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Those are all failed prophecies. Do you want to know why? New nations are to be expected. In fact the only "fulfilled" prophecies in the Bible are ones on the order of "When you go out on the freeway you will see a red car". Specific prophecies tend to fail. And fail rather badly.

It’s hard to understand where you’re coming from so you just believe someone or a group of people wrote and recorded Psalms, Prophets and the Old Testament after the fact?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Paul never changed his name. He was always Saul to the Hebrews and Paul to the Romans. That is all. There was no "previously known". That is a mistaken interpretation of the Bible.

And no, Paul's teachings were quite different from those of the Gospels. . .. Oh I see, you are now saying that the Gospels were wrong. You might have a point there.

Paul preached the same gospel as the other 4 gospel writers. You can't just make false allegations and hope to get away with it. You get away with nothing, you just make it clear that your pushing a false agenda and it stands utterly exposed when the light of truth is shone upon it

 

[night912]

Pseudo science is secular science, christian science is true science

And I'll say it again, it's interesting how you disagree with the majority of Christian scientists but agrees with the Christian pseudoscientists.

When you say Christian science, I'm assuming that you are referring to science such as the big bang, newtonian gravity, etc. The science that consist
Christian scientists as, Newton, Galileo, Collins, Kepler, etc. Just to let you know, they made significant contributions to secular science and not the pseudoscience that you have dubbed "Christian science," which consists of things such as, Intelligent Design, Flood geology, etc.

 

[night912]

All of those evil dictators were very religious, you can't deny the fact that Atheism is a religion. Both Hitler and Stalin were Ashkenazi (Zionist Jews), Mao and Pol Pot were Buddhists, but none of them claimed to be motivated by their religious views.
So we can't say they used the false flag method of deception, but we can dismiss all the false claims that Christians omitted any evil against anyone

Congratulations, you passed the test and successfully earned the title of dishonesty.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

And I'll say it again, it's interesting how you disagree with the majority of Christian scientists but agrees with the Christian pseudoscientists.

When you say Christian science, I'm assuming that you are referring to science such as the big bang, newtonian gravity, etc. The science that consist
Christian scientists as, Newton, Galileo, Collins, Kepler, etc. Just to let you know, they made significant contributions to secular science and not the pseudoscience that you have dubbed "Christian science," which consists of things such as, Intelligent Design, Flood geology, etc.

You got it the wrong way around. Christian science is true science and secular science teaches lies like the big bang bunkum and the insane evolution theory. Christian science is sensible and fact based, while pseudo science is just sci fi ****

 

[Polymath257]

I'm not sure who came up with the dumb term pauline-christianity but it makes no sense at all. Paul preached everything that Jesus instructed him to, he never ever uttered a word of his own. Every word of Paul was given to him directly by the Lord Jesus Christ, so it was Jesus speaking through Paul so there's only one Christianity and a lot of ignorant dumb people making dumb unfounded claims

Paul never met Jesus, who had died before Paul was converted.

And those who *knew* Jesus tended to disagree with Paul (as described in Acts).