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Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Only 3 in obscure unimportant sciences and they were voted for in an attempt to build bridges between the isolated and closed Islamic world and the free world.
Those prizes lost their value in recent times, they used to be prestigious and now they hand them out to mentally ill kids like Greta Thunberg

Obscure, unimportant sciences like Physics and Chemistry? Really?
 
Of course it is "historically accurate". Well not quite. It was describing events that happened in the past at the time of the writing.

Do you know when Daniel was written? Do you even know what that "prophecy" was about?

You might want to check out this article:

Vaticinium ex eventu - Wikipedia
Interesting but would als
Of course it is "historically accurate". Well not quite. It was describing events that happened in the past at the time of the writing.

Do you know when Daniel was written? Do you even know what that "prophecy" was about?

You might want to check out this article:

Vaticinium ex eventu - Wikipedia
Interesting concept, seems like a rational thought and I agree with you about the prophecies being so accurate they had to be written after the fact but that’s not how it happened.
“Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭46:9-10‬
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia
Already found these scrolls dating back before the actual events.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Interesting but would als

Interesting concept, seems like a rational thought and I agree with you about the prophecies being so accurate they had to be written after the fact but that’s not how it happened.
“Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭46:9-10‬
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia
Already found these scrolls dating back before the actual events.
You did not even read how old the Dead Sea scrolls are. They do not precede the fact.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
You finally admitted my point when you said, "I can't know what the evidence looks like"

Quote mining is not going to help you.

I mean that I can't know in advance what the evidence is that you claim you have access to while I don't.
You have to show it to me first.

:rolleyes:

This is the stumbling block I've been warning you about, you haven't found the truth as you don't know what it looks like. So you're a cop looking for a murderer in a big crowd, but you have no description of him.
Good luck finding him

If I claim I saw aliens last night "and I have irrefutable proof" without showing you that proof, would you then know what my supposed evidence looks like?

You make zero sense.

In all honesty and seriousness, you seem very much out of touch with reality.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Why is there no reliable evidence to support this notion that Islam actually has some technology 1000 years ago.

There is, as you'll find in just about every high school history textbook.


I did read about the Islamic terrorists who looted the Jewish State of Jerusalem and took all of the scientific instruments and books back to their Arabic countries,
History shows that the Jews were the first to give the world science and technology, then Christians equally contributed from 2000 years ago up to today.


That is simply not true.

It interesting that only One Muslim name appears on the long list of scientists in history and his contribution was so insignificant that we never hear about him

You mean that YOU never heared about him.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Islam didn't exist when Algebra was discovered, Mohammad introduced inbreeding much later and that caused a big brain drain in Arab lands

Actually, the Islamic world made *huge* advances in algebra (cubic polynomials, general polynomials, etc), trigonometry (including spherical trigonometry), arithmetic (they didn't invent the decimal system, but they certainly made it into a usable system for calculation), the concept of a 'number line' (previously, numbers and geometry were treated separately).

The 'brain drain' in the Moslem world happened *much* later.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
History shows that the Jews were the first to give the world science and technology, then Christians equally contributed from 2000 years ago up to today.
It interesting that only One Muslim name appears on the long list of scientists in history and his contribution was so insignificant that we never hear about him


Simply false. Christianity was not helpful for science until *at least* 1100AD. Even after that, the main contribution for a LONG time was simply the notion that there could be 'natural laws' separate from divine laws. The real advancements in Christian lands didn't happen until about 1500-1600 with the rise of modern science.

For the first 1500 years, Christianity did NOTHING for actual scientific investigation and, for the first 1000 years or so was actively opposed to such investigation.
 
Roughly to the time of Jesus. Didn't you read your own source?
I did and you must not have read it, also they predict where Jesus was going to be born, that he would be crucified, rise from the dead. All written ahead of time and He fulfilled all of these, except the ones that are still in our future.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I did and you must not have read it, also they predict where Jesus was going to be born, that he would be crucified, rise from the dead. All written ahead of time and He fulfilled all of these, except the ones that are still in our future.
Citation needed. Where are those claims made in the Dead Sea scrolls?

And yes, the examples of Daniel found in the Dead Sea Scrolls are all either Herodian or Hasmonean. Making them date from 140 BCE at the oldest. That is well after the historical events in Daniel.

If you read it it appears that you did not understand it.
 

night912

Well-Known Member
There is no provision for undue violence or extremism, in Christianity. You can't blame Christianity for what some reprobate group with an evil agenda did in the name of Christianity. These evil, acts are known as false flag operations, where someone poses as someone else to commit crime and all the sheeple fall for the deception and take revenge on the innocent party.
And now comes the honesty/dishonesty test. What is that test? Here's an easy explanation, if you really believe in what you said above, then you won't bring up Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc as an argument that they murdered numerous people because they were atheists and/or atheism. And obviously, if you do bring that up, that would mean that you passed the test and you're being dishonest.

Let's see if you will pass the test or not. Good luck.
 
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