ElishaElijah
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Take a walk outside and observe and think would’ve be a good start
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Truth: either God exists or He don't.
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TagliatelliMonster
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I'm from another country. Belgium, Europe.
I can tell you that the vast majority of us have been laughing at the US for the past 4 years and many of us think the US got of easy with the Trump exit. Most of us expected a lot worse from the orange crybaby.
And no, I can assure you that as good as nobody here buys into his mega obvious lies.
If anything, we are extremely disappointed in the fact that apparently so many americans are so gullible that they actually believe this fool.
If anything, this hurts US reputation tremendously internationally. Trump has singlehandedly done more damage to the US then anyone, or any country, ever did in the entire history of the US. And I can assure you that the damage is severe.
All bets are off now.
The silly republicans are going to vote against the impeachment and this will effectively mean that the baffoon will potentially run again in 4 years.
This puts traditional US allies in quite an awkward position. It means we can't trust the US. It means we can't count on its stability. It means that the US becomes an untrustworthy partner. It means that any treaty signed with the US is only safe for remaining years that the president that signed it sits in the white house. All bets are of when the orange, or another baffoon like him, gets back in power.
We in Europe have even come to the very scary and troublesome conclusion that even Putin's Russia, would be more trustworthy to deal with then such a US.
You guys have no idea what all this means on the international scene.
For a taste of it, go watch Trump's speech at the UN. World leaders from +100 countries, literally laughing at him. Can you imagine? The assembly of the UN laughing at the US president during a speech?
This is how far we've come.
The US. Shelved in the same category as China and Russia. Even worse, actually, because at least China and Russia are somewhat predictable.
Subduction Zone
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I would suggest that you do that same. And find a way to test your beliefs. Guess what happens when you do that?
Subduction Zone
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Belgium? Isn't that some sort of swear word or something? Amazingly it made it past the censorbot.
ElishaElijah
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I do because God told us and recorded it in Scripture, he proved it to me and many others, which I told you. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. You decided to explain it away and say it was some other reason
ElishaElijah
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I do and look up and praise God for all His wonderful work.
Trailblazer
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Baha'is do not have to twist the scripture to make Baha'u'llah the Second Coming of Christ, because Baha'u'llah fulfilled all the prophecies for the Second Coming. It is the Christians who need to twist the scripture in order to keep waiting for the same man Jesus who NEVER promised to return to earth.
What about the following verses do the Christians NOT understand? They just cannot face reality, Jesus is NEVER coming back to earth, NEVER.
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
TagliatelliMonster
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Please... let's not play that game. We all know what you meant when you said "...stand before god to give an account of your life". Quite literally "you better believe, or else!"
At least, you believe you do.
It depends what the question is off course.
But sure there are lots of questions that I don't have answers to. I'm fine with "i don't know" until we actually find out. Would I like to know the answers? Sure. But wanting them won't make them magically appear.
Not entirely true, but let's run with that.
Sure: the origins of life are unknown.
So what?
This is a claim. Please provide verifiable evidence for this claim.
Not as funny as your blatant strawman.
Subduction Zone
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No, you only believe that. How would you test scripture to see if it was written by God or not? It does not even claim to have been written by God in the Bible. There is a verse that many Christians abuse, but that only indicates that they do not understand their own book of myth.
Once again, being proved to yourself is almost certainly confirmation bias. What you need are proper tests to see if your beliefs are true or not.
Subduction Zone
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So you have nothing. Why don't you praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster for his work? A belief in him appears to be just as valid as a belief in your God, and he has a much better heaven.
ElishaElijah
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I don’t have a strawman, trying to judge someone’s motives is wrong, I meant what I said because of Hebrews 11:6 is the way God operates, you won’t get proof or a relationship with your Creator unless you come to Him on His terms cause He is The Lord not us.
Subduction Zone
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ElishaElijah
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They’re true and for millions of other people that have passed from death to life.
TagliatelliMonster
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What you described as being my position, is not at all my position on said subject.
That is by definition a strawman.
I wasn't trying.
Subduction Zone
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Meaning what you said does not take away the strawman. And the Bible is not evidence or support for your claims until you demonstrate that it is reliable. Until then you might as well be quoting any holy book.
If you claimed to merely believe than to know than people would be easier on you. It is the honest thing to do. People will accept a claim of believing. But as soon as you cross over to "knowing" you put the burden of proof upon yourself and so far you have only confirmed the claim that all you have is belief.
Trailblazer
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I do not know if the FSM has a better heaven but he has a better track record than God since he does not have a track record at all. God has a track record but it is not all good.
OK, I walk outside. I observe snow, trees, some buildings, a road, the sky, the sun.
No deities in evidence.
Subduction Zone
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Stating that something is true does not make it a fact. Nor does the fact that there are millions of followers helping you. And there is no evidence that any have "passed from death to life".
Empty claims are worthless in a debate. You might as well believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster since your faith does not appear to be any better supported than theirs is.
Subduction Zone
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Beer volcanoes and stripper factories. Need I say more?I do not know if the FSM has a better heaven but he has a better track record than God since he does not have a track record at all. God has a track record but it is not all good.
TagliatelliMonster
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Don't have audio at the moment, will surely watch it later.
I liked this one that I saw the other day:
We Belgians find such clips hilarious. Mostly because it is true
Our ability of self-mockery like that is about the only thing preventing the country of erupting in a civil war or splitting into 3 separate countries or alike, hahaha.