Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[paarsurrey]

I have been following and once again you take on a huge burden of proof when you claim that a "Creator" exists.

Next time one will, I understand, see a flying kettle in the sky or something like that as per the Atheism Method. Right friend, please?

Regards

 

[ElishaElijah]

Really? Citation needed.

I hope that Republicans are not as ignorant as they were when this poll was taken when 73% believed that there was widespread voter fraud:

https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us01112021_usmk38.pdf

But outside of this country there probably are not that many deluded people.

I would think most of the people in other countries could easily see the corruption that took place here in the last election.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Whether you yawn, laugh or disagree, it’s obvious when I look at the Universe, the World and all of Creation that God created all this. In your case you don’t see it which leads me to believe that no amount of evidence will convince you.

This makes no sense.
Pointing out that you think it is "obvious", is not evidence.
You haven't presented any evidence. So how could you conclude that he wouldn't be convinced by evidence?
Him rejecting your bare claims, assertions and mere opinions does not at all lead to that conclusion.

You will get your proof when you stand before God to give an account for your life

Fear mongering won't help your case.

Either way, he has sent you many people that are testifying to you, giving you the path to God and you insist on your own path, which has no answers to life.

Pretending to have answers, is not the same as actually having answers.

 

[Polymath257]

I would think most of the people in other countries could easily see the corruption that took place here in the last election.

Agreed. And most of it was on Trump's part. It was quite obvious except for some 'true believers'.

 

[37818]

The same type of evidence I would require of anything else, be it a black hole, the Loch Ness Monster, or the Higg's boson:

Something unique to what is claimed that cannot be explained easier in some other way. Something that distinguishes existence of the thing from non-existence of that thing.

You can't simply define something into existence.

The distinction is a valid one. There is a HUGE difference between confidence in those you can see and interact with and 'faith' in an invisible, undetectable being that supposedly made the universe.

Well, for starters we have different definition for God. That is a major issue. The God I know is the self Existent. Omnipresent and as such invisible. All existence is contingent on the self Existent one.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, it is a concern *since* the truth exists. NOT questioning beliefs is the mark of a cult. Cults work because people believe the cult has the truth and that it should not be questioned.

Christianity isn’t considered a cult.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The discrepancy in the mail in vote was blatantly unrealistic, there';s just no logical way to justify it or to cover up the cheating and theft of the election.

I'm at the other side of the world and I can only laugh at this post.
How come that at this side of the globe, everyone expected mail-in ballots to be overwhelmingly pro biden?
And I'm not talking about election day. I'm talking weeks, months even, in advance.


Perhaps, maybe, just maybe, it might have had something to do with the major push of democrats months in advance to vote-vote-vote through mail, while Trumpie was yelling to vote in person instead?

 

[Polymath257]

Well, for starters we have different definition for God. That is a major issue. The God I know is the self Existent. Omnipresent and as such invisible. All existence is contingent on the self Existent one.

Show that there is a such a self-existent thing. Then show it has the properties typically associated with the word 'God'. For example, intelligence and morality.

Otherwise, identify God with the universe and there is no question of the existence. But, of course, the universe is *quite* visible.

I'm always nervous when people use the 'necessary/contingent' concept applied to existence. That is an old philosophical mistake going back at least to Aristotle.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Agreed. And most of it was on Trump's part. It was quite obvious except for some 'true believers'.

People in other countries seemed to like Trump, except the leaders that were used to fleecing America.

 

[Polymath257]

Christianity isn’t considered a cult.

It was when it was first founded. The Romans were quite clear about their view of it as a cult.

The only difference between a cult and a (fundamentalist) religion is the number of people that follow it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Hundreds of millions around the world disagree with you

Around the world? Where exactly?

I'm not aware of any people outside of the US trump worshippers to believe the whole "stolen election" fiasco.
In fact, pretty much all world leaders were very quick to congratulate Biden very soon after the election.

Except Putin off course.

 

[Polymath257]

People in other countries seemed to like Trump, except the leaders that were used to fleecing America.

Not my experience when I traveled. Most people were bewildered that we would vote in someone like him. They sort of felt Americans had gone crazy. I can't say I disagreed with them.

it really sucks having to apologize for our insane leaders when in another country.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

True, but where there's smoke there fire

That's just it. There is no smoke.
There's only a pathological liar who is a sore loser and a crybaby.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That was worthy of a yawn for sure

So you do not like reality.

Why did you even make that rather foolish post in the first place? Do you think that no one has heard the "look at the trees" argument before? It rated a humorous rating when you failed so poorly.

 

[ElishaElijah]

This makes no sense.
Pointing out that you think it is "obvious", is not evidence.
You haven't presented any evidence. So how could you conclude that he wouldn't be convinced by evidence?
Him rejecting your bare claims, assertions and mere opinions does not at all lead to that conclusion.




Fear mongering won't help your case.




Pretending to have answers, is not the same as actually having answers.

How is that fear mongering and I do have answers, but you don’t, just guessing. You have no idea the origin of life. You use material that God created as your basis and say these things randomly reacted and over billions of years we have this orderly creation. That’s funny

 

[Subduction Zone]

Next time one will, I understand, see a flying kettle in the sky or something like that as per the Atheism Method. Right friend, please?

Regards

 

[ElishaElijah]

So you do not like reality.

Why did you even make that rather foolish post in the first place? Do you think that no one has heard the "look at the trees" argument before? It rated a humorous rating when you failed so poorly.

I didn’t post any argument, just the obvious truth

 

[Subduction Zone]

How is that fear mongering and I do have answers, but you don’t, just guessing. You have no idea the origin of life. You use material that God created as your basis and say these things randomly reacted and over billions of years we have this orderly creation. That’s funny

No, no, no. You have no idea of the origin of life. Don't make that accusation about others. And there is no point in discussing abiogenesis with someone unless they are honest enough to accept the fact of evolution. And lastly, it does not matter if we did not understand it. Unanswered questions are not evidence for God. You are trying to make an argument from ignorance. That is a logical fallacy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn’t post any argument, just the obvious truth

LOL!! If it was the "obvious truth" you could have supported your claims. Here is why we know that some things are "obvious". Whenever challenged people can support those claims. Arguments from ignorance, which is your latest theme, are not "obvious truth".

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's just it. There is no smoke.
There's only a pathological liar who is a sore loser and a crybaby.

And don't forget his followers.