Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Nope. Technology has been increasing pretty steadily for the last 1000 years. It has increased much faster in the last 300 with the development of science. You have ignored the effects of the steam engine, the internal combustion engine, the development of chemistry, the development of electrical technology.

Computers are simply the most recent of many technological advancements over the past 300 years.



The engines and machines were also more readily serviceable. They were far simpler (and, of course, less efficient). Now, most cars have multiple computer systems to regulate things. 50 years ago that wasn't the case.

What you are witnessing here is specialization, which is one of the risks of a more complex society, but has been happening to some extent since the development of civilization. Most people don't understand the majority of the tools they use every day. For example, most people would not know how to start to repair a smartphone.

Common sense has NEVER been common.

I mentioned the fact that AI, is the only thing accumulating data so it can be said that it's the only thing getting smarter but the humans are getting much dumber with every generation.
Todays people only have the capacity to learn about one subject and they are oblivious to the rest. Young people may be good at playing video games but they can barely tie their shoe laces or change a flat tire on a car. Most don't have a clue who was President 20 years ago, most don't even know anything about other cultures.

I read an article which clearly stated that this is the dumbest generation in all of human history

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yawn. Yes, yet another reason to see that the Bible is unreliable. It simply states things as fact that are false: not everyone knows in their heart that there is a God. Some people have managed to avoid the brain-washing that entails.

Whether you yawn, laugh or disagree, it’s obvious when I look at the Universe, the World and all of Creation that God created all this. In your case you don’t see it which leads me to believe that no amount of evidence will convince you. You will get your proof when you stand before God to give an account for your life. Either way, he has sent you many people that are testifying to you, giving you the path to God and you insist on your own path, which has no answers to life.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

I never said that God was a liar. You need to reread that post. You are the one accusing your God of being a liar.

Why do fundamentalists have such bad reading comprehension when it comes to that simple idea? You are the one that keeps claiming that God is a liar. But as I said, you do not understand how you are doing that.

Of' course God is a liar in your estimation, you don't even believe He exists so the very notion is a lie in your mind. I get it now

 

[ElishaElijah]

There is a huge problem with this verse. The existence of God obviously is not plain to people. In fact it is not even plain to believers since they cannot rationally justify their beliefs. You in effect just posted a major error in the Bible.

In fact there were Christians that believed the verses that say that not only is the evidence for God clear, but that the evidence for Jesus was too. They honestly expected to find Christianity appearing in tribes that never had any contact with Christians and they were surprised a bit when they could not find this. The Bible implied that they should, why has no one come to Jesus without the Bible and missionaries at least?

Do you want to be converted or something? I would but it’s against the forum rules.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

It could be. That is why it we continually test our beliefs. Have you considered that your Bible beliefs my be an illusion? You refuse to test those beliefs properly so you have no way of knowing. Those that accept the sciences have to live a fearless life. Bible believers believe mostly due to fear.

You have no qualification or basis for you claim, since you don't know what others know so you can't speak on our behalf. You can only speak from your own experience and wisdom or lack there of. you don't have any credibility, all you have is your faith in yourself and your own understanding which you hold up as infallible.

I don't rely on my own understanding, God said He who relies on his own understanding is cursed and he shall be deceived by the enemy. you have set yourself up as the final authority over all things, you say you consider what others have to say then you draw your own conclusion and run with it. This is what all unbelievers do and this is why the world is so full of confusion.

 

[Polymath257]

I mentioned the fact that AI, is the only thing accumulating data so it can be said that it's the only thing getting smarter but the humans are getting much dumber with every generation.
Todays people only have the capacity to learn about one subject and they are oblivious to the rest. Young people may be good at playing video games but they can barely tie their shoe laces or change a flat tire on a car. Most don't have a clue who was President 20 years ago, most don't even know anything about other cultures.

I read an article which clearly stated that this is the dumbest generation in all of human history

Yes, there is an appalling lack of education in the US. This is, unfortunately, a return to a previous stance after a brief change after Sputnik. Remember that the US actually had a political party called the 'Know Nothing party'.

It isn't so much that people are getting dumber as it is they are more overwhelmed with information and not adequately trained on how to distinguish garbage from the good stuff. This leads to conspiracy theories as well as an overall lack of understanding of basics.

And part of the problem is that we don't value education. We don't value skepticism and questioning authorities. We pay most teachers salaries that are not much better than those of babysitters. We also accept teachers of, say, math, that don't know the first thing about their subject. But, because they have an 'education' degree, they are seen as qualified.

And I agree with you, far too few people know anything at all about history or other cultures. The US has always had a rather provincial attitude. How many people in the US know a language other than English? How many know anything at all about the history of China? How many know who Constantine was? How many know about the history of the KKK in the US? Or the real reason the Puritans decided to leave England?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yawn. Yes, yet another reason to see that the Bible is unreliable. It simply states things as fact that are false: not everyone knows in their heart that there is a God. Some people have managed to avoid the brain-washing that entails.

Whether you yawn, laugh or disagree, it’s obvious when I look at the Universe, the World and all of Creation that God created all this. In your case you don’t see it which leads me to believe that no amount of evidence will convince you. You will get your proof when you stand before God to give an account for your life. Either way, he has sent you many people that are testifying to you, giving you the path to God and you insist on your own path, which has no answers to life.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of' course God is a liar in your estimation, you don't even believe He exists so the very notion is a lie in your mind. I get it now

Probably in your estimation too. And no, the reason that he is a liar has nothing to do with your personal God not existing.

 

[Polymath257]

Whether you yawn, laugh or disagree, it’s obvious when I look at the Universe, the World and all of Creation that God created all this. In your case you don’t see it which leads me to believe that no amount of evidence will convince you. You will get your proof when you stand before God to give an account for your life. Either way, he has sent you many people that are testifying to you, giving you the path to God and you insist on your own path, which has no answers to life.

I am not concerned. Even if I am wrong, a *just* deity would understand why I did what I did. An *unjust* deity would not be one to follow in any case.

And, I see those who believe as, essentially, brain washing themselves. So, *of course* they see what they have programmed themselves to see.

As I see it, you should look at the type of evidence there is for, say, electrons. If you could give anything remotely close to that for the existence of a deity, I would say I am wrong.

But instead of specific facts that support the existence of an intelligence that created the universe, I get vague hand-waving at 'all of creation' and claims it could not have happened without a creator.

Why not?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

And this is how EVERY cult argues: those who don't believe simply cannot see the truth of the cult.

In this, you are denigrating Christianity into a cult based on blind faith and unreasoning devotion.

If you can't see the danger of that, I assure you many people do.

but we must admit the truth does exist and all the cults and sects try to mimic and present a counterfeit to true religion. Christianity is the only religion who's founder claimed to be God the Creator of all things and He proved it by showing He has the power over life and death.
All the other false prophets are still in their graves and you can visit them anytime, but try to visit the grave of the Lord Jesus Christ and see how far you get.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have no qualification or basis for you claim, since you don't know what others know so you can't speak on our behalf. You can only speak from your own experience and wisdom or lack there of. you don't have any credibility, all you have is your faith in yourself and your own understanding which you hold up as infallible.

I don't rely on my own understanding, God said He who relies on his own understanding is cursed and he shall be deceived by the enemy. you have set yourself up as the final authority over all things, you say you consider what others have to say then you draw your own conclusion and run with it. This is what all unbelievers do and this is why the world is so full of confusion.

Actually there are quite a few qualifications that support me. Number one is the inability of believers like you to support their claims and their act of running away when it is time for them to show that there is any reason at all to take them seriously.

And faith is your flaw, not mine. Faith is not a pathway to the truth. The faith that you have for your God is not different than that of a fundamentalist Muslim's faith for Allah.

Lastly if I was the 'final authority' I would not advocate for tests that any rational person could use to check my beliefs. Your entire post looks as if it is all projection on your part. You are only describing your flaws. I am suggesting that you try to provide rational evidence and tests for your beliefs just as there is rational evidence and tests for what I accept.

 

[Polymath257]

but we must admit the truth does exist and all the cults and sects try to mimic and present a counterfeit to true religion. Christianity is the only religion who's founder claimed to be God the Creator of all things and He proved it by showing He has the power over life and death.
All the other false prophets are still in their graves and you can visit them anytime, but try to visit the grave of the Lord Jesus Christ and see how far you get.

Actually, no such proof was given: only the cult followers believe it was. Funny how that works, huh?

I wouldn't be able to visit the grave of most people from that time period. Try visiting the grave of Julius Caesar: you won't be able to.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Not every vote. But the majority of mail-in votes, yes. That was partly because Trump discouraged his followers from voting by mail.

The discrepancy in the mail in vote was blatantly unrealistic, there';s just no logical way to justify it or to cover up the cheating and theft of the election.

 

[Subduction Zone]

but we must admit the truth does exist and all the cults and sects try to mimic and present a counterfeit to true religion. Christianity is the only religion who's founder claimed to be God the Creator of all things and He proved it by showing He has the power over life and death.
All the other false prophets are still in their graves and you can visit them anytime, but try to visit the grave of the Lord Jesus Christ and see how far you get.

I do not think that you understand the concept of "proof". Your Bible fails when put to the test just as any primitive book of religion does. And it appears that all prophets are false prophets, including those of the Bible.

How would you rationally and reliably test your beliefs? People here can help you with that.

 

[Polymath257]

The discrepancy in the mail in vote was blatantly unrealistic, there';s just no logical way to justify it or to cover up the cheating and theft of the election.

Not at all: it was even expected and discussed ahead of time.

There was no cheating. And the only fraud was Trump claiming the election was stolen.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Again, the mindset of a cult: once you accept its ways, you don't need to consider anything else.

That would be a valid concern if the truth didn't exist

 

[Subduction Zone]

The discrepancy in the mail in vote was blatantly unrealistic, there';s just no logical way to justify it or to cover up the cheating and theft of the election.

There is a very simple explanation for it. Trump advocated voting in person. His supporters did so quite often. Biden advocated being safe and voting by mail. His supporters did so. When given a choice voters followed their chosen leader, what is so hard to understand about that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whether you yawn, laugh or disagree, it’s obvious when I look at the Universe, the World and all of Creation that God created all this. In your case you don’t see it which leads me to believe that no amount of evidence will convince you. You will get your proof when you stand before God to give an account for your life. Either way, he has sent you many people that are testifying to you, giving you the path to God and you insist on your own path, which has no answers to life.

All of that can be explained without God. In fact many things that were at one point ascribed to gods now are explained by the sciences. If anything your argument appears to be against God.

 

[Polymath257]

That would be a valid concern if the truth didn't exist

No, it is a concern *since* the truth exists. NOT questioning beliefs is the mark of a cult. Cults work because people believe the cult has the truth and that it should not be questioned.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Actually there are quite a few qualifications that support me. Number one is the inability of believers like you to support their claims and their act of running away when it is time for them to show that there is any reason at all to take them seriously.

And faith is your flaw, not mine. Faith is not a pathway to the truth. The faith that you have for your God is not different than that of a fundamentalist Muslim's faith for Allah.

Lastly if I was the 'final authority' I would not advocate for tests that any rational person could use to check my beliefs. Your entire post looks as if it is all projection on your part. You are only describing your flaws. I am suggesting that you try to provide rational evidence and tests for your beliefs just as there is rational evidence and tests for what I accept.

With all due respect I must reject all of your claims as unqualified, unsubstantiated and without foundation in reality. These are all your own private views for which you have no support outside of your own mind and your own personal judgement.
You're not alone, the world is full of people who think they know it all, whilst refusing to examine what others who have a different world