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Truth: either God exists or He don't.

Polymath257

Polymath257

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Pilgrim Soldier said:
With all due respect I must reject all of your claims as unqualified, unsubstantiated and without foundation in reality. These are all your own private views for which you have no support outside of your own mind and your own personal judgement.
You're not alone, the world is full of people who think they know it all, whilst refusing to examine what others who have a different world
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With all due respect, I must reject all of your claims as unqualified, unsubstantiated and without foundation in reality. These are all your own private views for which you have no support outside of your own mind and your own personal judgement. You are not alone, the world is full of people who think they know it all, whilst refusing to examine what others who have a different world view believe.

Wow. it works both ways.
 
Pilgrim Soldier

Pilgrim Soldier

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Polymath257 said:
With all due respect, I must reject all of your claims as unqualified, unsubstantiated and without foundation in reality. These are all your own private views for which you have no support outside of your own mind and your own personal judgement. You are not alone, the world is full of people who think they know it all, whilst refusing to examine what others who have a different world view believe.

Wow. it works both ways.
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WRONG! I never claimed to use my understanding to make any decisions regarding what's true and false, as my friend does
 
37818

37818

Active Member
@Polymath257

You and others have redefined faith. In Biblical Christanity no such distinction is made.

A pocket dictionary that I have had over 30 years, faith is belief.

That be as it may, what do you personally deem as sufficient evidence?
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

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Premium Member
37818 said:
@Polymath257

You and others have redefined faith. In Biblical Christanity no such distinction is made.

A pocket dictionary that I have had over 30 years, faith is belief.

That be as it may, what do you personally deem as sufficient evidence?
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I have already answered that.

Evidence that clearly distinguishes a universe with a God from one without, but where both have natural laws.

Set up a hypothesis. make a *specific* prediction based on that hypothesis that is both different than the prediction based on a universe with natural laws AND is publicly observable. Then do the observation and see what happens.
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
37818 said:
@Polymath257

You and others have redefined faith. In Biblical Christanity no such distinction is made.

A pocket dictionary that I have had over 30 years, faith is belief.

That be as it may, what do you personally deem as sufficient evidence?
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Here's a more refined definition (Definition of faith | Dictionary.com):

noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.

2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.

4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.

5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.

Here, 1 is clearly not what we are talking about. Nor are 4,5, or 6.

So, we are left with 2 and 3. Clearly, 3 is a good match: you believe in a God and in the teachings of some religion.

But, from my point of view, 3 is a subset of 2: if you have religious faith, you have belief without proof.

In any case, faith and belief are NOT identical things. Faith has the connotation of belief without proof or belief in a religious doctrine. That is quite different than definition 1, confidence in someone or something. Confidence is supported by evidence. Religious faith is not.
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

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Pilgrim Soldier said:
No they have the one and only unproven truth but I have the one and only proven truth. Did you pickup on the subtle difference?
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You claim yours is proven, but you have given no actual proof: only your claims. Looks identical to me. Especially when both sides claim to have proof, but don't offer any.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Pilgrim Soldier said:
With all due respect I must reject all of your claims as unqualified, unsubstantiated and without foundation in reality. These are all your own private views for which you have no support outside of your own mind and your own personal judgement.
You're not alone, the world is full of people who think they know it all, whilst refusing to examine what others who have a different world
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Projection again. You are the one that cannot support your claims. You are the one that refuses to even try to learn. I am not guilty of what you are accusing me of.

I can support my claims with reliable evidence. You not so much. You refuse to even learn what is and what is not evidence. And not my personal version of evidence. I do not make up things the way that you do. I do not need to. I can find valid sources that support me.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Subduction Zone said:
Jesus probably was crucified. I am not a denier of his existence. You would need to find valid evidence that he migrated to make that claim. The problem was the he was almost certainly treated as Romans treated other victims of crucifixion. The bodies were left up for nature to dispose of as an object lesson to others under their rule.
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" You would need to find valid evidence that he migrated to make that claim."

Jesus was delivered from the Cross in near-dead position but very much alive.
I need not prove it. Just Google it, please?
It is the credulous Pauline-Christianity who hold that he ascended to the skies only because sinful Paul faked a vision and together with the sinful Church made them believe in such a weird yet made-up story, please. Right friend, please?
Sinful Paul was , I understand, the Dajjal or the Anti-Christ or the Great Deceiver of his age together with the Sinful-Church, in the later times it is Bab and Bahaullah. Jesus had warned against such people, please. Right friend, please/

Regards
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
" You would need to find valid evidence that he migrated to make that claim."

Jesus was delivered from the Cross in near-dead position but very much alive.
I need not prove it. Just Google it, please?
It is the credulous Pauline-Christianity who hold that he ascended to the skies only because sinful Paul faked a vision and together with the sinful Church made them believe in such a weird yet made-up story, please. Right friend, please?
Sinful Paul was , I understand, the Dajjal or the Anti-Christ or the Great Deceiver of his age together with the Sinful-Church, in the later times it is Bab and Bahaullah. Jesus had warned against such people, please. Right friend, please/

Regards
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It was your claim, you need to provide reliable sources. Do you know what people that are wrong often do? They try to claim that the evidence is out there and then refuse to deliver it. If there was reliable evidence you would almost certainly have provided some.
 
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