Try to prove to me your religion.

[Agondonter]

Please try to prove to me your religion is true.

The request is proof of the author's ignorance.

 

[gnostic]

The Quran was the last revelation made by God because people thought that Jesus was the Son of God. So, Allah brought the Quran as the last revelation to show the disbelievers the Truth. @Taylor Seraphim @[URL='http://www.religiousforums.com/members/kelly-of-the-phoenix.58387/']Kelly of the Phoenix[/URL]

Not so, according to Mirza Ghulum Ahmadi of Ahmadiyya on the Islamic side, or Joseph Smith of LDS on the Christian side.

Not that I believe their claims any more than Muhammad's claim of being a prophet.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Me, Sir.

Anyone else.

 

[Jabar]

Not so, according to Mirza Ghulum Ahmadi of Ahmadiyya on the Islamic side, or Joseph Smith of LDS on the Christian side.

Not that I believe their claims any more than Muhammad's claim of being a prophet.

Ahmadiyya rejects the faith of true Islam, the Qur'an prohibits sects. Although it does not mean that they will go to hell since they believe in Allah and prophet Muhammad. Any modern day tampered Bible Christian beliefs are not true and are misconceptions by society.

 

[Jabar]

Anyone else.

How about you prove to me Atheism is truth.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

How about you prove to me Atheism is right.

I cannot prove a negative.

 

[Jabar]

I cannot prove a negative.

You cannot give me proof that it is the truth, there is a big negative.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

You cannot give me proof that it is the truth, there is a big negative.

?

Seeing as you do not understand logic let me give you a quick lesson.

A positive is a claim that asserts something exists or is true.

A negative is the result from the positive not being proven.

Since you have not proven to me bigfoot I do not believe in him by default.

Since you have not proven to me god exist I do not believe he exist by default.

I am not claiming they could not exist, but I will not believe them until they are shown to be more likely to exist than to not exist.

 

[Jabar]

?

Seeing as you do not understand logic let me give you a quick lesson.

A positive is a claim that asserts something exists or is true.

A negative is the result from the positive not being proven.

Since you have not proven to me bigfoot I do not believe in him by default.

Since you have not proven to me god exist I do not believe he exist by default.

I am not claiming they could not exist, but I will not believe them until they are shown to be more likely to exist than to not exist.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to you, an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to you, an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object?

Already heard this a million times.

Try answering my question.

 

[Jabar]

Already heard this a million times.

Try answering my question.

Haha, see you are avoiding the question, anyhow what question?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The message can be as convincing as anything on this planet but your own intellect and ego must accept it. If it is not willing to do so, it is no ones fault but yours. When God has provided you with an entire book of evidences, what more do you want him to do? No teacher or parent can force their child to do the homework all the time, there has to be some personal will involved too.

Which is something of a cop-out because it's far easier to accuse the refusing party of arrogance or a runaway ego that blinds them to the 'obvious Truth' than to admit the Message might be flawed, or that the bearer in a particular instance conveyed it in a flawed manner, and to engage in honest introspection to discover what said flaws are and how they might undermine the validity of said Message.

No doubt you'd consider it equally daft if members of other revealed religions started saying you were arrogant, or that your ego was in the way because you weren't convinced by the 'obvious Truth' of their own belief system rather than listen to your perspective about why said belief systems are flawed, incomplete or corrupt.

 

[gnostic]

Ahmadiyya rejects the faith of true Islam, the Qur'an prohibits sects.

Yeah, I know how most Muslims feel about Ahmadiyya. But most Ahmadis feel the same way about non-Ahmadi Muslims that they don't belong to the "true Islam".

Accusing each other group of not bein true" Islam or "true" Christianity or "true" whatever, could cause tension, resentment and hatred, that might lead to persecution, violence and possibly even death.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to you, an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object?

Do you understand the English language?

What are you asking here?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Ahmadiyya rejects the faith of true Islam, the Qur'an prohibits sects. Although it does not mean that they will go to hell since they believe in Allah and prophet Muhammad. Any modern day tampered Bible Christian beliefs are not true and are misconceptions by society.

Try adding evidence to your claims.

Do you understand how logic works?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

?

Seeing as you do not understand logic let me give you a quick lesson.

A positive is a claim that asserts something exists or is true.

A negative is the result from the positive not being proven.

Since you have not proven to me bigfoot I do not believe in him by default.

Since you have not proven to me god exist I do not believe he exist by default.

I am not claiming they could not exist, but I will not believe them until they are shown to be more likely to exist than to not exist.

@Jabar you still have not given me a refutation.

 

[Jabar]

Already heard this a million times.

Try answering my question.

The Qu'ran says Noah's Ark rested on Mount Judi. This has been proven true. “When the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy water, and O sky! withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!"

Yeah, I know how most Muslims feel about Ahmadiyya. But most Ahmadis feel the same way about non-Ahmadi Muslims that they don't belong to the "true Islam".

Accusing each other group of not bein true" Islam or "true" Christianity or "true" whatever, could cause tension, resentment and hatred, that might lead to persecution, violence and possibly even death.

That is a belief but is it backed up by the Qur'an? Does Qur'an even talk about Mirza? No. So that belief is man made and corrupted. Of course they will think what they want to think however have no evidence in the holy Qur'an. I know that, i have no problems with Ahmadhiyya's however they are not exactly on the right track of Islam.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

The Qu'ran says Noah's Ark rested on Mount Judi. This has been proven true. “When the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy water, and O sky! withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!"

That is a belief but is it backed up by the Qur'an? Does Qur'an even talk about Mirza? No. So that belief is man made and corrupted. Of course they will think what they want to think however have no evidence in the holy Qur'an. I know that, i have no problems with Ahmadhiyya's however they are not exactly on the right track of Islam.

Ignored my question again.

Imagine that, Jabar avoiding a question which he knows he cannot answer, who would have thought.

Also you saying that "it has been proven true" proves jack****.

So why don't you actually provide evidence, because unlike you I actually do not believe positive claims without it.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

?

Seeing as you do not understand logic let me give you a quick lesson.

A positive is a claim that asserts something exists or is true.

A negative is the result from the positive not being proven.

Since you have not proven to me bigfoot I do not believe in him by default.

Since you have not proven to me god exist I do not believe he exist by default.

I am not claiming they could not exist, but I will not believe them until they are shown to be more likely to exist than to not exist.

@Jabar are you able to refute this logic?

Who am I kidding? Your probably going to run away from this question like all of the other questions you cannot answer.

 

[Jabar]

@Jabar are you able to refute this logic?

Who am I kidding? Your probably going to run away from this question like all of the other questions you cannot answer.

I do not recall any question being asked to me.