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Try to prove to me your religion.

Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Taylor Seraphim said:
This thread is full of pages of you being asked questions.
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Well, those questions can be answered by yourself. Either way i asked you a question first and you refused to answer, the reason i am not sure of. Probably because of the exposure given to you.
 
Tomorrows_Child

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
JustWondering said:
Wrong.

Quran 86:5 Now let man but think from what he is created! 6. He is created from a drop emitted- 7. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs

It is kind of hard to take someone who doesn't even know what their own holy book says seriously.

Apparently your god doesn't know simple human biology.
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You might wana look up the translation of the arabic word used to describe the location, it does not translate to spine. In fact, I could post it here but it won't make a difference to you, so I won't.

Anyway, if anyone knows where the prostate lies, then you know it's position could be described as between the ribs and the spine, even when you think it's wrong, it's right.
 
Tomorrows_Child

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
A Greased Scotsman said:
Which is something of a cop-out because it's far easier to accuse the refusing party of arrogance or a runaway ego that blinds them to the 'obvious Truth' than to admit the Message might be flawed, or that the bearer in a particular instance conveyed it in a flawed manner, and to engage in honest introspection to discover what said flaws are and how they might undermine the validity of said Message.

No doubt you'd consider it equally daft if members of other revealed religions started saying you were arrogant, or that your ego was in the way because you weren't convinced by the 'obvious Truth' of their own belief system rather than listen to your perspective about why said belief systems are flawed, incomplete or corrupt.
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I have no problem if someone, religious or non-religious came to me and said my belief system was wrong, put forward eloquent arguments, with facts to try and disprove me or my faith. That's fine, they believe what they believe and I believe what I believe. We will all find out one day who was right and who was wrong.

Like Allah says:

"If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!"

We will soon learn who is right and who is wrong, I wouldn't be offended if someone told me I was wrong, that is their opinion.

However, for someone who is an atheist (I assume you are) if you read a verse in the Quran which describes the shape of the earth and your only response is "Oh it's a guess" or "Well the Babylonians already knew that", then those are not real responses and are based on ignorance or outright lies. You are actively trying to hide the truth.

After that, all I can do is pray that one day you will find the right path and my duty ends at that point.
 
JustWondering

JustWondering

Jerk
Jabar said:
It never does say that.
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Yes it does, see post 417, please.

Jabar said:
Just prior to coming out of the body, all components of semen are mixed near the prostate which is between the backbone and the ribs or between the spine and the chest which is between the back of the abdomen thorso and most certaintly NOT IN THE TESTICLES or LOWER BODY at all. So just to clarify: semen does not come from the testicles, only sperm is produced there which comprises 2-5% of semen.


So, the Qur'an did not make no error. This is a misconception.
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The quran says that man is produced from a DROP proceeding from between the backbone and ribs. That is ALL it says. It makes no mention of multiple components being mixed, so in that you are ignorant or being purposely misleading. Secondly and more importantly the prostate is in the PELVIS, not between the backbone and ribs. So the quran DOES IN FACT make a FALSE CLAIM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostate
 
JustWondering

JustWondering

Jerk
Tomorrows_Child said:
You might wana look up the translation of the arabic word used to describe the location, it does not translate to spine. In fact, I could post it here but it won't make a difference to you, so I won't..
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Even if I give you that all the English translations I've seen got that word wrong the quran still says that sperm comes from between "something" and the ribs, which is not in the pelvis, where the human reproductive system is.

Tomorrows_Child said:
Anyway, if anyone knows where the prostate lies, then you know it's position could be described as between the ribs and the spine, even when you think it's wrong, it's right.
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Wrong, it's position could be described as in the pelvis. Do you have ribs in your pelvis?

I also see you and your fellow muslims are shying away from the Qurans claims about mountains stopping earthquakes, which is also a false claim. So two obvious demonstrable errors of your quran have been pointed out and your response so far is flat out denial. Not that I expect true believers to be intellectually honest or open minded.
 
JustWondering

JustWondering

Jerk
Tomorrows_Child said:
"If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!"
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Gee, what a noble message. If others don't believe as we do we should pray that our vengeful god hurts them! Religion of peace huh?
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
JustWondering said:
Yes it does, see post 417, please.



The quran says that man is produced from a DROP proceeding from between the backbone and ribs. That is ALL it says. It makes no mention of multiple components being mixed, so in that you are ignorant or being purposely misleading. Secondly and more importantly the prostate is in the PELVIS, not between the backbone and ribs. So the quran DOES IN FACT make a FALSE CLAIM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostate
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I never said Qur'an mentions multiple components being mixed. It still is accurate because production is between the backbone and ribs. Proceeding meaning where it is starts and ends up in the blood. This is accurate.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
JustWondering said:
Even if I give you that all the English translations I've seen got that word wrong the quran still says that sperm comes from between "something" and the ribs, which is not in the pelvis, where the human reproductive system is.



Wrong, it's position could be described as in the pelvis. Do you have ribs in your pelvis?

I also see you and your fellow muslims are shying away from the Qurans claims about mountains stopping earthquakes, which is also a false claim. So two obvious demonstrable errors of your quran have been pointed out and your response so far is flat out denial. Not that I expect true believers to be intellectually honest or open minded.
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It never says that mountains stop earthquakes, but it stabilizes the earth from shaking. Nowhere does it say that it stops earthquakes. The arabic word for earthquake in the Qur'an is zalzalah but the words used in the verse is tameedah which means to shake, to sway, to swing. It is saying that lest it would shake WITH YOU. This means that if the mountains were not there then if you would have walked, then the earth would have moved with you. If you have swayed, the earth would have swayed with you. Normally, we know when we walk on the earth, the earth does not shake. So, Allah is saying he made the mountains to stabilize the earth. You are clearly making misconceptions.
 
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