Try to prove to me your religion.

[Jabar]

Wrong . . . The Quran was never actually written down into any single book during Muhammad's life. It was always recited. Even during the period before it was written down, there is some evidence that the Quran was changed by Muhammad himself.

According to Ibn Ishaq, the earliest source on the life of Muhammad, there was an additional verse in Surah an-Najm that Muhammad later removed, saying that Satan had tricked him into believing it was from God. The verse is commonly referred to as verse 20.5, because it was supposed to fit between 20 and 21. It is also known as the "Satanic Verse" The verse went like this:

19: Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-‘Uzzá
20: and Manāt, the third, the other?
20.5: These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for.

if Satan had tricked Muhammad into believing that this verse was from God, then how can we be certain that all the other verses of the Quran are from God and not from Satan? Also the idea that Muhammad could be tricked by Satan, even for a short time, flies in the face of the notion that Muhammad is the perfect man.

From a non-religious perspective, the acceptance of the three traditional Pagan Goddesses into Islam makes sense when Muhammad was weak and needed reconciliation with the Pagans, and the removal of this verse later when he was stronger and no longer needed their support makes a lot of sense.

Firstly, this is according to Ibh Ishaq, he says a lot of things. Hehe.

Secondly, i said for the most part it is unchanged. So, i am not wrong.

A lot of people who hate on Islam bring these types of topics up.

So, Satan revealed the Qur'an and explained all these scientific evidences and showed his signs.

I think you should retry because that argument is the most illogical and stupid one i have ever heard.

Not once have i said Muhammad was a pefect man.

 

[anonymous9887]

I am not sure about that.

Ok later I will tell you the time and the dates of the manuscripts that carry authority. I will show you its not untouched. Trust me I've studied the Qur'an, I may know more than you do with all do respect.

 

[Jabar]

Ok later I will tell you the time and the dates of the manuscripts that carry authority. I will show you its not untouched. Trust me I've studied the Qur'an, I may know more than you do with all do respect.

you have no knowledge on your own scripture much less the Qur'an.

 

[anonymous9887]

you have no knowledge on your own scripture much less the Qur'an.

Why does god allow suffering according to the Qur'an?
Did god create us to suffer?

 

[Jabar]

Why does god allow suffering to the Qur'an?
Did god create us to suffer?

What do you mean why did God allow suffering?

Be more specific.

 

[EtuMalku]

Firstly, this is according to Ibh Ishaq, he says a lot of things. Hehe.

Secondly, i said for the most part it is unchanged. So, i am not wrong.

A lot of people who hate on Islam bring these types of topics up.

So, Satan revealed the Qur'an and explained all these scientific evidences and showed his signs.

I think you should retry because that argument is the most illogical and stupid one i have ever heard.

Not once have i said Muhammad was a pefect man.

You really don't comprehend what I post (or what a lot of others post for that matter) . . .
Let's try this . . . the OP (Original Post) is asking you to verify, authenticate, prove your religion is true.
Without referring to Islamic scripture, how would you do this?

How would either Christians or Jews do this?

 

[Jabar]

You really don't comprehend what I post (or what a lot of others post for that matter) . . .
Let's try this . . . the OP (Original Post) is asking you to verify, authenticate, prove your religion is true.
Without referring to Islamic scripture, how would you do this?

How would either Christians or Jews do this?

I cannot prove the truth without a divine revelation. I can give you logical proof that there is a creator though.

The Qur'an is complete truth.

 

[anonymous9887]

What do you mean why did God allow suffering?

Be more specific.

I cannot prove the truth without a divine revelation. I can give you logical proof that there is a creator though.

The Qur'an is complete truth.

Why does god allow people to be killed, and all these wars and extremist?

 

[anonymous9887]

What do you mean why did God allow suffering?

Be more specific.

Did god predestin us to die and suffer.

 

[Jabar]

Why does god allow people to be killed, and all these wars and extremist?

God does not allow people to be killed. In fact he is against it very much.

“Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

 

[EtuMalku]

I cannot prove the truth without a divine revelation. I can give you logical proof that there is a creator though.

The Qur'an is complete truth.

This is pathetic . . . how many times must you be told that a book is not evidence of the faith, it may be evidence there IS a faith, but not the faith itself.
Stating your opinion on said book also does not qualify as evidencing that faith

In my post instead of posting stuff from any of our texts, I posted a logical explanation in regards to the tenets we adhere to. This gives a transparency to the Belief removing it from any Circular Logic that seems to be the norm for many religions.

 

[Jabar]

Did god predestin us to die and suffer.

He predestined us to die but not exactly suffer.

Some suffer, Some do not.

I do not get your point.

 

[Jabar]

This is pathetic . . . how many times must you be told that a book is not evidence of the faith, it may be evidence there IS a faith, but not the faith itself.
Stating your opinion on said book also does not qualify as evidencing that faith

In my post instead of posting stuff from any of our texts, I posted a logical explanation in regards to the tenets we adhere to. This gives a transparency to the Belief removing it from any Circular Logic that seems to be the norm for many religions.

The evidential information provided in the Qur'an declares its divinity.

 

[EtuMalku]

The evidential information provided in the Qur'an declares its divinity.

Ok I'm going to just suffice that either you are a very young person or a not very intelligent older one . . . we are done conversing.
Thank you for your attempt at clarifying Islam . . . you failed miserably, and you made a fool of yourself by insisting I plagiarized my own writings.

 

[Jabar]

Ok I'm going to just suffice that either you are a very young person or a not very intelligent older one . . . we are done conversing.
Thank you for your attempt at clarifying Islam . . . you failed miserably, and you made a fool of yourself by insisting I plagiarized my own writings.

You yourself failed, the reason of which you are done conversing.

You are an Islamic hater and do not portray any knowledge in the least bit.

Good Luck.

 

[anonymous9887]

He predestined us to die but not exactly suffer.

Some suffer, Some do not.

I do not get your point.

So if a baby dies is that gods will?
There are muslims with many problems in their life did god predestin them to have these problems and suffering?
If so why?

 

[Jabar]

So if a baby dies is that gods will?
There are muslims with many problems in their life did god predestin them to have these problems and suffering?
If so why?

If a baby dies it may be Allah's will or a person killed the baby or any acts done by humans to cause the death.

A baby is a Muslim, it converts after doing the acts when enforced onto the religion or change due to misconceiving understanding. He will be granted Jannah, (Heaven) if he dies as a baby automatically.

The problems in Muslims lives are mostly caused because of themselves, and their actions.

I still do not get your point. God created us and this life is a test to the Hereafter, Jannah.

Qur'an is the instruction manual to get into Heaven.

 

[anonymous9887]

If a baby dies it may be Allah's will or a person killed the baby or any acts done by humans to cause the death.

A baby is a Muslim, it converts after doing the acts when enforced onto the religion or change due to misconceiving understanding. He will be granted Jannah, (Heaven) if he dies as a baby automatically.

The problems in Muslims lives are mostly caused because of themselves, and their actions.

I still do not get your point. God created us and this life is a test to the Hereafter, Jannah.

Qur'an is the instruction manual to get into Heaven.

So in other words god created us to test us?
That doesn't seem like a loving god.

 

[Jabar]

So in other words god created us to test us?
That doesn't seem like a loving god.

Yeah, think what you want.

It does reflect a loving God.

He gave us a blessing, a life.

What if we had no life?

If we obey him, then we will get the BEST reward. Jannah Al-Firdous.

It is something that you can never imagine and will be the best world for us.

 

[EtuMalku]

If we obey him, then we will get the BEST reward.

Like virgins? LMAO . . . what a perverted carrot dangled! What a sad religious manipulation of the human psyche . . . what fool surrenders to the unproven notions of Divine Reward and Divine Punishment?