Try to prove to me your religion.

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.

I was under the impression that Hebrews descended from Isaac and Arabs descended from Ishmael. While both kids come from Abraham, an ancestor of Muhammad is unlikely from "their fellow Israelites" because "Israel" is the nickname for Jacob, who is only the son of Isaac. Nitpicky, I know.

I don't mind it when Muslims say all these pre-Muhammad folks were Muslim. I don't believe it literally, but I do get the theological gist that anyone who obeys God is technically Muslim, if only by the definition of the word itself.

Well the primary reasons are:
1. For the same reasons I believe that miracles performed by people ceased, tongues, and prophesying also ceased is based on 1 corinthians 13:8-11
For me what is complete is the full revelation. The book of revelation was the final revelation, we are now just expecting christ coming and that's it.

The problem is that the books stopped only after committee meetings.

Exactly "you" do not care but we must follow scripture. If Jesus and the torah used YHWH why does mohammed not even mention it once?

If I were a god who didn't want others to use my name in vain, I'd give an alias.

Is it to confuse people or is it an excuse for why they did not all have the same name?

Are all these "people" the same?

Badr and Anis
Hadi and Shadi
Bart and Ernest
Berto and Ernesto
Blas and Epi
Bert and Ernie ...

Well what if there is something in a scripture that no man could have know otherwise, except by divine revelation?

Such as? I mean, there are plenty of parts in the bible that shouldn't be there because neither the author or anyone else was there. What if a lot of what we read aren't memories but literary tropes?

Scientific accuracies could have been a lucky guess, a coincidence, or the result of some method lost to time.

Solomon was the wisest king and even HE had to hire Babylonians and stuff to make the Temple. Compared to the empires of the time, Israelites were backwater nobodies in comparison (this is also why their government is like what it is today: small man syndrome...).

The bible dates the earth as 6,000 years old (although this is not stated directly, scholars have used the ages of some of the men to find this date), whereas today we know it has existed for over four billion years.

And that is just bad math. You can't just add up ages unless everyone had their kids on the last days of their lives.

How old was adam when he was created? He was a man.

With the mental capacity of a seven year old.

Yes I do. Again the additions that were made to the bible were easily weeded out.

I think it'd behoove you to read about such things. There are many texts scholars think are outright forgeries and yet they are still in the bible.

Ok so we are capable of being perfect?

I think so, but I don't consider "perfection" to be some stupid Platonic thing with ideal forms and such. To me, the ability to have compassion and adapt benevolently to your surroundings are the only things necessary to be "perfect". A one-dimensional Mary Sue is NOT perfect. You have to be capable of growth to be truly perfect.

The bible has inconsistent characterizations, plot holes, etc. To me, this is ... okay, it's bad writing ... but it also reflects, IMHO, a reality that life is ever in flux and we just have to deal with it.

edit:

Proving satan a liar is a core belief.

Now, if only that'd make me feel better. Satan never lies in any of the scenes where he actually participates. Being a jerk is not lying. So, in reality, many in the bible lie about Satan.

 

[Jabar]

Lol sorry I will answer in a sec, I think I did answer. One is describing him becoming king and the other him trying to take over. I'll check again.
But I believe the core belief is more important because you are missing a very important point.

How so? It still is saying he reigned after he died, that is unscientific.

Your response: Actually, he reincarnated.

HAHAHAHA bish what

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Religion is worship of a supernatural being, truth does not fit that criteria.

Also you list your religion as Christianity, not as truth.

Those words are all synonymous.

Do you really believe that something as incredible as a creative conscious mind
can just randomly pop into being because mere atoms arrange themselves in a particular shape?

Think on Pythagoras' triangle.
Is that the result of randomness?

Its not that I believe in Jesus at all,
I really am nothing like the others that I have met.
I have spoken with Him, and John, and another spirit
who would not tell me her name,
but it could easily have been an Angel Of Reason.

 

[EtuMalku]

https://www.facebook.com/heraldofthedawn


HAHA, exposed at the most max level that ever existed.

Are you a moron? That is my page . . .

 

[Jabar]

I was under the impression that Hebrews descended from Isaac and Arabs descended from Ishmael. While both kids come from Abraham, an ancestor of Muhammad is unlikely from "their fellow Israelites" because "Israel" is the nickname for Jacob, who is only the son of Isaac. Nitpicky, I know.

I don't mind it when Muslims say all these pre-Muhammad folks were Muslim. I don't believe it literally, but I do get the theological gist that anyone who obeys God is technically Muslim, if only by the definition of the word itself.


The problem is that the books stopped only after committee meetings.


If I were a god who didn't want others to use my name in vain, I'd give an alias.


Are all these "people" the same?

Badr and Anis
Hadi and Shadi
Bart and Ernest
Berto and Ernesto
Blas and Epi
Bert and Ernie ...


Such as? I mean, there are plenty of parts in the bible that shouldn't be there because neither the author or anyone else was there. What if a lot of what we read aren't memories but literary tropes?


Solomon was the wisest king and even HE had to hire Babylonians and stuff to make the Temple. Compared to the empires of the time, Israelites were backwater nobodies in comparison (this is also why their government is like what it is today: small man syndrome...).


And that is just bad math. You can't just add up ages unless everyone had their kids on the last days of their lives.


With the mental capacity of a seven year old.


I think it'd behoove you to read about such things. There are many texts scholars think are outright forgeries and yet they are still in the bible.


I think so, but I don't consider "perfection" to be some stupid Platonic thing with ideal forms and such. To me, the ability to have compassion and adapt benevolently to your surroundings are the only things necessary to be "perfect". A one-dimensional Mary Sue is NOT perfect. You have to be capable of growth to be truly perfect.

The bible has inconsistent characterizations, plot holes, etc. To me, this is ... okay, it's bad writing ... but it also reflects, IMHO, a reality that life is ever in flux and we just have to deal with it.

edit:

Now, if only that'd make me feel better. Satan never lies in any of the scenes where he actually participates. Being a jerk is not lying. So, in reality, many in the bible lie about Satan.

Who else could it have been?

 

[anonymous9887]

How so? It still is saying he reigned after he died, that is unscientific.

Your response: Actually, he reincarnated.

HAHAHAHA bish what

Ok no problem it is a scribal error.
1. What does that change of the them of the bible.
2. Can that be corrected and found out when it actually happened sure, so it's not lost beyond finding the truth.

 

[Jabar]

Are you a moron? That is my page . . .

HAHAHAHAHA suree.

 

[EtuMalku]

HAHAHAHAHA suree.

And even if it wasn't my page, where do you get your religious information from? Oh a book! Written by men!! And how do you convey those ideas? By copying them and pasting them for others to read.

 

[Jabar]

Ok no problem it is a scribal error.
1. What does that change of the them of the bible.
2. Can that be corrected and found out when it actually happened sure, so it's not lost beyond finding the truth.

What?

It is a clear contradiction. A divine book does not make contradictions.

How is that a error on human part. Put it into any translation you want.

You are basically saying it is truth without giving me evidence.

You have failed and made a false accusation that the Bible is divine.

 

[Jabar]

And even if it wasn't my page, where do you get your religious information from? Oh a book! Written by men!! And how do you convey those ideas? By copying them and pasting them for others to read.

Haha, you broke a rule if it was not yours.

Besides, the fact that the way you are texting things shows your anger, chill there mate.

Anyhow, i get my information from a divine scripture since you made a false accusation. Just here to clarify things.


Well, i would study it then rewrite in my own words if i were you.


Peace.

 

[anonymous9887]

What?

It is a clear contradiction. A divine book does not make contradictions.

How is that a error on human part. Put it into any translation you want.

You are basically saying it is truth without giving me evidence.

You have failed and made a false accusation that the Bible is divine.

If that's the way you want to view it that is fine.
1. The original manuscripts were inspired
2. Scribal errors happened and as you will see in the newest research on the Qur'an you will see the same thing. It had to be tampered with in order to try to harmonize.

 

[Jabar]

If that's the way you want to view it that is fine.
1. The original manuscripts were inspired
2. Scribal errors happened and as you will see in the newest research on the Qur'an you will see the same thing. It had to be tampered with in order to try to harmonize.

I believe the Qur'an is not tampered with at all. It is unchanged for the most part unlike the Bible.

You still have not proven that the scripture is divine.

Thus leading to the conclusion that the Bible is either man made or changed and probably fabricated.

 

[anonymous9887]

Haha, you broke a rule if it was not yours.

Besides, the fact that the way you are texting things shows your anger, chill there mate.

Anyhow, i get my information from a divine scripture since you made a false accusation. Just here to clarify things.


Well, i would study it then rewrite in my own words if i were you.


Peace.

And no you can go back to my messages I clearly stated there was scribal errors. But let's see if you will be consistent if you see the new research on the Qur'an.

 

[anonymous9887]

I believe the Qur'an is not tampered with at all. It is unchanged for the most part unlike the Bible.

You still have not proven that the scripture is divine.

Thus leading to the conclusion that the Bible is either man made or changed and probably fabricated.

No problem I know more about your manuscripts than yourself. So the Qur'an is unchanged, we will see what modern scholarship says.

 

[EtuMalku]

Haha, you broke a rule if it was not yours.

Besides, the fact that the way you are texting things shows your anger, chill there mate.

Anyhow, i get my information from a divine scripture since you made a false accusation. Just here to clarify things.


Well, i would study it then rewrite in my own words if i were you.


Peace.

I'm amazed I'm still conversing with you . . . but anyway,
What rule did I break?
I am far from angry . . . trust me
Do you have any evidence this is a 'divine scripture' ?

 

[Jabar]

I'm amazed I'm still conversing with you . . . but anyway,
What rule did I break?
I am far from angry . . . trust me
Do you have any evidence this is a 'divine scripture' ?

Plagiarism. Are you aware of what that is? That is only if it was not yours which i have stated.

You have broken a rule before by using profanity and insulting a divine revelation i hold highly.

Yes i do, the Qur'an mentions universe is expanding. Modern science approves.

I'll trust you that you are not angry

 

[EtuMalku]

I believe the Qur'an is not tampered with at all. It is unchanged for the most part unlike the Bible.

You still have not proven that the scripture is divine.

Thus leading to the conclusion that the Bible is either man made or changed and probably fabricated.

Wrong . . . The Quran was never actually written down into any single book during Muhammad's life. It was always recited. Even during the period before it was written down, there is some evidence that the Quran was changed by Muhammad himself.

According to Ibn Ishaq, the earliest source on the life of Muhammad, there was an additional verse in Surah an-Najm that Muhammad later removed, saying that Satan had tricked him into believing it was from God. The verse is commonly referred to as verse 20.5, because it was supposed to fit between 20 and 21. It is also known as the "Satanic Verse" The verse went like this:

19: Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-‘Uzzá
20: and Manāt, the third, the other?
20.5: These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for.

if Satan had tricked Muhammad into believing that this verse was from God, then how can we be certain that all the other verses of the Quran are from God and not from Satan? Also the idea that Muhammad could be tricked by Satan, even for a short time, flies in the face of the notion that Muhammad is the perfect man.

From a non-religious perspective, the acceptance of the three traditional Pagan Goddesses into Islam makes sense when Muhammad was weak and needed reconciliation with the Pagans, and the removal of this verse later when he was stronger and no longer needed their support makes a lot of sense.

 

[EtuMalku]

Plagiarism. Are you aware of what that is? That is only if it was not yours which i have stated.

You have broken a rule before by using profanity and insulting a divine revelation i hold highly.

Yes i do, the Qur'an mentions universe is expanding. Modern science approves.

I'll trust you that you are not angry

If I wrote the page it is not plagiarism . . . are you dense?
There is no rule in the Religious Debate group about butthurting you about your make-believe god

 

[Jabar]

No problem I know more about your manuscripts than yourself. So the Qur'an is unchanged, we will see what modern scholarship says.

I am not sure about that.

 

[Jabar]

If I wrote the page it is not plagiarism . . . are you dense?
There is no rule in the Religious Debate group about butthurting you about your make-believe god

Exactly why i said if you did not.

There is a rule of profanity, the profanity you used was not censored.