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Try to prove to me your religion.

EtuMalku

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Taylor Seraphim said:
Please try to prove to me your religion is true.
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In the midst of all the religious nonsense going on in this thread, I am going to reply to the OP with my own nonsense . . .

The Herald of the Dawn (H☿D) is an Order (some may say a religion) founded on the Principles of Internal Alchemy, a Philosophy which prescribes that we are fallen Lucifers in this objective / physical state of Being, and that through separation and control of the objective universe we can Become more than Human and ultimately bring the Current of our Higher Self into our self thus attaining Mercurius Consciousness.

Mercurius Consciousness is the extended awareness of our Higher Self and from exploring ways to unite our lower Luciferian self with our Higher Mercuræn Self the Order of the Herald of the Dawn becomes a society of Phoenix-like Beings called Mystai graduating through various stages of Mercurius Consciousness.

In order for this philosophy to work there must be some form of evidence of a higher Self.

Proto-man was just one of many animal species fighting for survival over the millennia. If his brain could evolve through processes of natural selection, then why did the brains of other creatures not similarly evolve - at least a little? The fact is that the brains of other creatures have remained practically the same size while man’s has “evolved”. This is inconsistent, and it will be recalled that the hallmark of the objective universe - and deistic proof of God - is its consistency. By the law of averages - which applies to natural selection as much as to anything else - there should have been at least some species other than man evolving in intelligence at least partway to the human level. There is none.

The soul or self does not behave as though it were merely a “sum total” of the brain’s sensory and manipulative capacities, combining and recombining inputted information as though it were an “organic” electronic computer. It has a sense of identity, a sense of uniqueness, a sense of distance and differentiation from everything else that exists. The philosophy of H☿D proposes that we have a superior intellect and that this is not a property of the objective universe / physical plane, that it is the resultant of us being the only creature with a higher Self that acts through our 'lower' self.

By the laws of nature that we have observed over time, by all accounts another species should have developed at least a brain remotely close to ours. And none have, for the most part every single surviving creature has remained exactly the same except us.
So what has taken place?

We are left with the explanation: Deliberate Cause
And this implies an isolate intelligence working through our physical being (brain / body)

. . . and THAT is my evidencing the reality of the Belief System some of us on the Western Left Hand Path chose to follow.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
EtuMalku said:
In the midst of all the religious nonsense going on in this thread, I am going to reply to the OP with my own nonsense . . .

The Herald of the Dawn (H☿D) is an Order (some may say a religion) founded on the Principles of Internal Alchemy, a Philosophy which prescribes that we are fallen Lucifers in this objective / physical state of Being, and that through separation and control of the objective universe we can Become more than Human and ultimately bring the Current of our Higher Self into our self thus attaining Mercurius Consciousness.

Mercurius Consciousness is the extended awareness of our Higher Self and from exploring ways to unite our lower Luciferian self with our Higher Mercuræn Self the Order of the Herald of the Dawn becomes a society of Phoenix-like Beings called Mystai graduating through various stages of Mercurius Consciousness.

In order for this philosophy to work there must be some form of evidence of a higher Self.

Proto-man was just one of many animal species fighting for survival over the millennia. If his brain could evolve through processes of natural selection, then why did the brains of other creatures not similarly evolve - at least a little? The fact is that the brains of other creatures have remained practically the same size while man’s has “evolved”. This is inconsistent, and it will be recalled that the hallmark of the objective universe - and deistic proof of God - is its consistency. By the law of averages - which applies to natural selection as much as to anything else - there should have been at least some species other than man evolving in intelligence at least partway to the human level. There is none.

The soul or self does not behave as though it were merely a “sum total” of the brain’s sensory and manipulative capacities, combining and recombining inputted information as though it were an “organic” electronic computer. It has a sense of identity, a sense of uniqueness, a sense of distance and differentiation from everything else that exists. The philosophy of H☿D proposes that we have a superior intellect and that this is not a property of the objective universe / physical plane, that it is the resultant of us being the only creature with a higher Self that acts through our 'lower' self.

By the laws of nature that we have observed over time, by all accounts another species should have developed at least a brain remotely close to ours. And none have, for the most part every single surviving creature has remained exactly the same except us.
So what has taken place?

We are left with the explanation: Deliberate Cause
And this implies an isolate intelligence working through our physical being (brain / body)

. . . and THAT is my evidencing the reality of the Belief System some of us on the Western Left Hand Path chose to follow.
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Bruhhhhhhhhhhhh....
.....................
HAHAHAHAHHAA

That was a cool story, though not really.
 
lovesong

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
Paul Chavez said:
But you must also provide the evidence for your claims, otherwise it's hearsay, you have to bring conclusive evidence of the things you say.
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The bible credits mankind to a creator whereas today we know mankind is the result of evolution.
http://evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution

The bible claims that some men lived for hundreds of years whereas today we know this is not possible.
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/oldest-person
Note: not possible with today's medicine, otherwise people would be living longer
There is no actual study on this because well, we all know about how long people live.

The bible dates the earth as 6,000 years old (although this is not stated directly, scholars have used the ages of some of the men to find this date), whereas today we know it has existed for over four billion years.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-do-we-know-earth-46-billion-years-old-180951483/?no-ist

The bible references figures, places, and events that are not historically accurate (the Egyptians never enslaved mass amounts of Jews to build the pyramids, for example).
http://news.discovery.com/history/ancient-egypt/pyramids-tombs-giza-egypt.htm

The bible contradicts itself multiple times (for example, Genesis provides multiple creation stories).
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/accounts.html
 
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Raahim

مكتوب
Paul Chavez said:
Ok so if it is possible to be perfect who did it, because even mohammed sinned.
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Many of my brothers and sisters might not agree with me, but I'm open to that though. Muhammad ﷺ was a perfect example of a man, but being human I am open to though that he (before the Revelation) might have sinned, but if he did sin something big then Revelation wouldn't have been revealed to him.
 
Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
Jabar said:
I would have to disagree with the belief that Islam and Christians are the same besides the fact that Muslims wear Hijab.
Christians associate God with Jesus, they believe eating pork is allowed, they are allowed to drink intoxications, etc.
Exactly, it does not have to be practice perfectly, you just have to try your upmost best to do righteous deeds while having faith in God.

I would agree that science is regarded as something absolute. However, it is still something that is important in todays society.

It is not science but the people that regard science as absolute. Science is a blessing of Allah, but when regarded as absolute and superior to divine revelations by people it causes disbelief.
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In Christianity we realize that getting drunk is wrong, its just that we leave it to the person to realize for themselves why it is so.
Some people do think that Jesus IS God; but this is a word-issue, because Jesus is the best essence of a Godly man.
As for pork, well I don't eat it, and many Christians don't either.
Again, its for people to realize WHY it is not to be eaten, and decide for themselves so that they know why for themselves.
I don't like eating pork because pigs eat everything.
Also human flesh is supposed to smell like pork, and there are stories
of people getting rid of corpses by pretending it is pork.
 
R

Raahim

مكتوب
EtuMalku said:
In the midst of all the religious nonsense going on in this thread, I am going to reply to the OP with my own nonsense . . .

The Herald of the Dawn (H☿D) is an Order (some may say a religion) founded on the Principles of Internal Alchemy, a Philosophy which prescribes that we are fallen Lucifers in this objective / physical state of Being, and that through separation and control of the objective universe we can Become more than Human and ultimately bring the Current of our Higher Self into our self thus attaining Mercurius Consciousness.

Mercurius Consciousness is the extended awareness of our Higher Self and from exploring ways to unite our lower Luciferian self with our Higher Mercuræn Self the Order of the Herald of the Dawn becomes a society of Phoenix-like Beings called Mystai graduating through various stages of Mercurius Consciousness.

In order for this philosophy to work there must be some form of evidence of a higher Self.

Proto-man was just one of many animal species fighting for survival over the millennia. If his brain could evolve through processes of natural selection, then why did the brains of other creatures not similarly evolve - at least a little? The fact is that the brains of other creatures have remained practically the same size while man’s has “evolved”. This is inconsistent, and it will be recalled that the hallmark of the objective universe - and deistic proof of God - is its consistency. By the law of averages - which applies to natural selection as much as to anything else - there should have been at least some species other than man evolving in intelligence at least partway to the human level. There is none.

The soul or self does not behave as though it were merely a “sum total” of the brain’s sensory and manipulative capacities, combining and recombining inputted information as though it were an “organic” electronic computer. It has a sense of identity, a sense of uniqueness, a sense of distance and differentiation from everything else that exists. The philosophy of H☿D proposes that we have a superior intellect and that this is not a property of the objective universe / physical plane, that it is the resultant of us being the only creature with a higher Self that acts through our 'lower' self.

By the laws of nature that we have observed over time, by all accounts another species should have developed at least a brain remotely close to ours. And none have, for the most part every single surviving creature has remained exactly the same except us.
So what has taken place?

We are left with the explanation: Deliberate Cause
And this implies an isolate intelligence working through our physical being (brain / body)

. . . and THAT is my evidencing the reality of the Belief System some of us on the Western Left Hand Path chose to follow.
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Judging by OP this would be far from good evidence. :D
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Raahim said:
LOL! Isn't the core of Christianity believing that Yeshua ﷺ is God who sacrificed himself so he could then forgive us our sins?
(Kinda illogical)
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This is the core of Christianity
1. Adam sinned and disobeyed god therefore genetically we are incapable of being perfect. Adam became imperfect and therefore could not produce perfect offspring.
2. Satan challenged god when that incident in the garden happened.
3. We are imperfect and prone to sin, which is why we can't prove that a perfect man can remain faithful.
4. Jesus (not god but a spirit being) emptied himself and became fully man in order to prove a perfect man can remain faithful to god.
5. Because we die because of our forefather adam so Jesus by dying repurchased us, because we were born deserving of death.

Proving satan a liar is a core belief.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
EtuMalku said:
In the midst of all the religious nonsense going on in this thread, I am going to reply to the OP with my own nonsense . . .

The Herald of the Dawn (H☿D) is an Order (some may say a religion) founded on the Principles of Internal Alchemy, a Philosophy which prescribes that we are fallen Lucifers in this objective / physical state of Being, and that through separation and control of the objective universe we can Become more than Human and ultimately bring the Current of our Higher Self into our self thus attaining Mercurius Consciousness.

Mercurius Consciousness is the extended awareness of our Higher Self and from exploring ways to unite our lower Luciferian self with our Higher Mercuræn Self the Order of the Herald of the Dawn becomes a society of Phoenix-like Beings called Mystai graduating through various stages of Mercurius Consciousness.

In order for this philosophy to work there must be some form of evidence of a higher Self.

Proto-man was just one of many animal species fighting for survival over the millennia. If his brain could evolve through processes of natural selection, then why did the brains of other creatures not similarly evolve - at least a little? The fact is that the brains of other creatures have remained practically the same size while man’s has “evolved”. This is inconsistent, and it will be recalled that the hallmark of the objective universe - and deistic proof of God - is its consistency. By the law of averages - which applies to natural selection as much as to anything else - there should have been at least some species other than man evolving in intelligence at least partway to the human level. There is none.

The soul or self does not behave as though it were merely a “sum total” of the brain’s sensory and manipulative capacities, combining and recombining inputted information as though it were an “organic” electronic computer. It has a sense of identity, a sense of uniqueness, a sense of distance and differentiation from everything else that exists. The philosophy of H☿D proposes that we have a superior intellect and that this is not a property of the objective universe / physical plane, that it is the resultant of us being the only creature with a higher Self that acts through our 'lower' self.

By the laws of nature that we have observed over time, by all accounts another species should have developed at least a brain remotely close to ours. And none have, for the most part every single surviving creature has remained exactly the same except us.
So what has taken place?

We are left with the explanation: Deliberate Cause
And this implies an isolate intelligence working through our physical being (brain / body)

. . . and THAT is my evidencing the reality of the Belief System some of us on the Western Left Hand Path chose to follow.
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By the way, nice copying and pasting. HAHA.
 
Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
Taylor Seraphim said:
If they where they practiced perfectly there would be a lot of swords and stones used by now.
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You are confusing the Old Testament with the New Testament.
I always thought that people should read the New Testament first,
then you will see that the law of Jesus overpowers the Jewish law in many cases.

Before Jesus the world was a different place.
When people had countless illiterate children
there was no option but to use the sword.
Since the time of 'the word' (literacy)
then those who learn and understand can come
to know the danger of unbound lust from that
old testament history which brings about
a population growth that is unsustainable.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
This is the core of Christianity
1. Adam sinned and disobeyed god therefore genetically we are incapable of being perfect. Adam became imperfect and therefore could not produce perfect offspring.
2. Satan challenged god when that incident in the garden happened.
3. We are imperfect and prone to sin, which is why we can't prove that a perfect man can remain faithful.
4. Jesus (not god but a spirit being) emptied himself and became fully man in order to prove a perfect man can remain faithful to god.
5. Because we die because of our forefather adam so Jesus by dying repurchased us, because we were born deserving of death.

Proving satan a liar is a core belief.
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So, you are avoiding my contradiction.

Is the exposure to deep?

It is penetrating you?
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Jabar said:
So, you are avoiding my contradiction.

Is the exposure to deep?

It is penetrating you?
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Lol sorry I will answer in a sec, I think I did answer. One is describing him becoming king and the other him trying to take over. I'll check again.
But I believe the core belief is more important because you are missing a very important point.
 
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