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Try to prove to me your religion.

lovesong

lovesong

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Premium Member
Jabar said:
It is not that, there is something else you missed.

If you were talking to them to, then why direct the comments to me?

Haha, good try.
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Will you tell me what I missed then?

I directed comments to both parties. The first thing I said in the post was directed to them.

You didn't answer my question. Why am I more likely to accept your evidence?
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Taylor Seraphim said:
Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”


John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
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Isaiah 43:10,11 there is no other god and no other savior.
1. The problem here or question is in what sense is Jehovah being called god and savior? He is being called these titles in a very exclusive sense. Example other people were called saviors In the old testament like Ehud Judges 3:15. Nehemiah 9:27 saviors, and yet there is only one savior. This is because Jehovah sends the saviors but he is the true savior because he sent them.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
lovesong said:
Will you tell me what I missed then?

I directed comments to both parties. The first thing I said in the post was directed to them.

You didn't answer my question. Why am I more likely to accept your evidence?
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Look for it. Called Islam crap, or Qur'an. Do not exactly remember.
 
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Raahim

مكتوب
Taylor Seraphim said:
I was not saying he could not because of some human laws.

I was asking why would he do that if he knew it would make people less likely to believe in his existence?
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He knows the things we don't know. If you defend your non-believing in His existence because of multiple names then I don't know why some evidence you didn't accept for His existence which are very strong proof.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Taylor Seraphim said:
Still waiting.
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You are waiting for no reason. The evidence i suggested about Qur'an on the expanding universe, you just merely stated that you deny it.

What is the point if you just deny the evidence i give you.

It sometimes gets me annoyed.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
What you really have to check is this.
1. Where and when the copies of the manuscripts of the Qur'an came from. When you look at the recent scholarships that Jay smith provides, you will question in if you are a truthful person, because probably your whole life you were made to believe that the Qur'an is not corrupted.
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Brother, jay smith is a Islamic hater. I could teach him a lesson about religion.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Taylor Seraphim said:
Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”


John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
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John 10:30
Easy to reason
1.Read John 17:20-23 father help them be one just as you and I are one.
2. I disagree with the translation that they said he was making himself god. I believe it is "a god"(I will use acts 28:6 as a defense for the indefinite article).
3. The pharisees are upset because of the relationship and favor jesus claims to have with the father.
4. Then Jesus goes on to defend himself in verse 34 is it not said you are gods?
 
Taylor Seraphim

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Paul Chavez said:
Well the primary reasons are:
1. For the same reasons I believe that miracles performed by people ceased, tongues, and prophesying also ceased is based on 1 corinthians 13:8-11
For me what is complete is the full revelation. The book of revelation was the final revelation, we are now just expecting christ coming and that's it.
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So you quoted a prophet to prove that same prophet is correct?

Thats circular logic.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Taylor Seraphim said:
I was not saying he could not because of some human laws.

I was asking why would he do that if he knew it would make people less likely to believe in his existence?
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I stated what god said in the torah, the name that appears hundreds of times, and why Islam changed the name. If we are sticking to scripture that's what need to be done, and the objections need to be answered.
 
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