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Tucker Carlson, Colonel Douglas Macgregor, The Ukraine War

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Almost like you are parroting what you’ve been told to believe minutes after an hour long video is posted? Well done propaganda machine!
Nobody needs to be told that Cucker "The Green M&M ****er" Tarlson has no credibility. He has a long history of spewing lies. By posting his vid, it's you who are parroting what you've been told. Cucker is a Putin apologist and Russian shill.

 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member








I don't understand what possess people to craw on their bellies to lick the boots of tyrants and terrorists.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Nobody needs to be told that Cucker "The Green M&M ****er" Tarlson has no credibility. He has a long history of spewing lies. By posting his vid, it's you who are parroting what you've been told. Cucker is a Putin apologist and Russian shill.

The interview is with Colonel Douglas Macgregor. Imagine if you were as skeptical of the claims of the United States government as you are of religion???

The Gulf of Tonkin incident (Vietnamese: Sự kiện Vịnh Bắc Bộ) was an international confrontation that led to the United States engaging more directly in the Vietnam War. It consisted of a confrontation on August 2, 1964, when United States forces were carrying out covert operations close to North Vietnamese territorial waters and North Vietnamese forces responded. The United States government falsely claimed that a second incident occurred on August 4, 1964, between North Vietnamese and United States ships in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. Originally, US military claims blamed North Vietnam for the confrontation and the ostensible, but in fact imaginary, incident on August 4. Later investigation revealed that the second attack never happened; the official American claim is that it was based mostly on erroneously interpreted communications intercepts.[5][6][7] The National Security Agency, a subsidiary of the US Defense Department, deliberately skewed intelligence to create the impression that an attack had been carried out.[8]

Gulf of Tonkin incident - Wikipedia

Operation Mockingbird is an alleged large-scale program of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that began in the early years of the Cold War and attempted to manipulate domestic American news media organizations for propaganda purposes. According to author Deborah Davis, Operation Mockingbird recruited leading American journalists into a propaganda network and influenced the operations of front groups. CIA support of front groups was exposed when an April 1967 Ramparts article reported that the National Student Association received funding from the CIA.[1] In 1975, Church Committee Congressional investigations revealed Agency connections with journalists and civic groups.

In 1973, a document referred to as the "Family Jewels"[2] was published by the CIA containing a reference to "Project Mockingbird", which was the name of an operation in 1963 which wiretapped two journalists who had published articles based on classified material.[3] The document does not contain references to "Operation Mockingbird".[4]

Background​

See also: CIA influence on public opinion
In the early years of the Cold War, efforts were made by the United States Government to use mass media to influence public opinion internationally. After the United States Senate Watergate Committee in 1973 uncovered domestic surveillance abuses directed by the Executive branch of the United States government and The New York Times in 1974 published an article by Seymour Hersh claiming the CIA had violated its charter by spying on anti-war activists, former CIA officials and some lawmakers called for a congressional inquiry that became known as the Church Committee.[5] Published in 1976, the committee's report confirmed some earlier stories that charged that the CIA had cultivated relationships with private institutions, including the press.[6] Without identifying individuals by name, the Church Committee stated that it found fifty journalists who had official, but secret, relationships with the CIA.[6] In a 1977 Rolling Stone magazine article, "The CIA and the Media,"[7] reporter Carl Bernstein expanded upon the Church Committee's report and wrote that more than 400 US press members had secretly carried out assignments for the CIA, including New York Times publisher Arthur Hays Sulzberger, columnist and political analyst Stewart Alsop and Time magazine.[6] Bernstein documented the way in which overseas branches of major US news agencies had for many years served as the "eyes and ears" of Operation Mockingbird, which functioned to disseminate CIA propaganda through domestic US media.[8]

In The Rising Clamor: The American Press, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the Cold War, David P. Hadley wrote that the "continued lack of specific details [provided by the Church Committee and Bernstein's exposé] proved a breeding ground for some outlandish claims regarding CIA and the press"; as an example, he offered unsourced claims by reporter Deborah Davis.[6] Davis wrote in Katharine the Great, her 1979 unauthorized biography of Katharine Graham, owner of The Washington Post, that the CIA ran an "Operation Mockingbird" during this time, writing that the Prague-based International Organization of Journalists (IOJ) "received money from Moscow and controlled reporters on every major newspaper in Europe, disseminating stories that promoted the Communist cause",[9] and that Frank Wisner, director of the Office of Policy Coordination (a covert operations unit created in 1948 by the United States National Security Council) had created Operation Mockingbird in response to the IOJ, recruiting Phil Graham from The Washington Post to run the project within the industry. According to Davis, "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of The New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles."[10] Davis wrote that after Cord Meyer joined the CIA in 1951, he became Operation Mockingbird's "principal operative."[11] Neither the Church Committee nor any of the investigations that followed it find there was such an operation as described by Davis.[6] Hadley summarized, "Mockingbird, as described by Davis, has remained a stubbornly persistent theory"; and added, "The Davis/Mockingbird theory, that the CIA operated a deliberate and systematic program of widespread manipulation of the U.S. media, does not appear to be grounded in reality, but that should not disguise the active role the CIA played in influencing the domestic press's output."[6]

Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
They're not. Russia has a professional, world class military with the sort of equipment you would expect one of the most powerful countries in the world to have. Ukraine is very poor and their military is mostly paramilitary (made up of racist ultranationalist fanatics) and poorly trained volunteers. There's videos of Ukrainian forces doing extremely stupid stuff and getting slaughtered for it. A few went viral recently. In one video, the fools get limb after limb blown off as they carelessly muck about in a field full of land mines. Ukraine doesn't have a chance of winning, but that's not the point of this. It's a meatgrinder to wear Russia down. It's just another proxy war. We don't give a **** about the Ukrainian people. If we did, we'd be negotiating a peaceful end to this.
So if someone was attempting to rape a woman, instead of helping her fight back, you should pressure her to consent? That's ghoulish and vile.

The Ukrainian people were subjected to an unprovoked invasion and subsequent war crimes. They're fighting for their land, lives, and liberty. It's absolutely disgusting to suggest that they should give that up just to appease tyrants and terrorists.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Come now, even I would not stoop to referring to Biden and Zelenskyy are tyrants and terrorists.
That would obviously be a false equivalency and completely nonsensical. It's comical to suggest either Biden or Zelenskyy are remotely comparable.

Here, allow me to educate you:








You're welcome.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
The interview is with Colonel Douglas Macgregor. Imagine if you were as skeptical of the claims of the United States government as you are of religion???

The Gulf of Tonkin incident (Vietnamese: Sự kiện Vịnh Bắc Bộ) was an international confrontation that led to the United States engaging more directly in the Vietnam War. It consisted of a confrontation on August 2, 1964, when United States forces were carrying out covert operations close to North Vietnamese territorial waters and North Vietnamese forces responded. The United States government falsely claimed that a second incident occurred on August 4, 1964, between North Vietnamese and United States ships in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. Originally, US military claims blamed North Vietnam for the confrontation and the ostensible, but in fact imaginary, incident on August 4. Later investigation revealed that the second attack never happened; the official American claim is that it was based mostly on erroneously interpreted communications intercepts.[5][6][7] The National Security Agency, a subsidiary of the US Defense Department, deliberately skewed intelligence to create the impression that an attack had been carried out.[8]

Gulf of Tonkin incident - Wikipedia

Operation Mockingbird is an alleged large-scale program of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that began in the early years of the Cold War and attempted to manipulate domestic American news media organizations for propaganda purposes. According to author Deborah Davis, Operation Mockingbird recruited leading American journalists into a propaganda network and influenced the operations of front groups. CIA support of front groups was exposed when an April 1967 Ramparts article reported that the National Student Association received funding from the CIA.[1] In 1975, Church Committee Congressional investigations revealed Agency connections with journalists and civic groups.

In 1973, a document referred to as the "Family Jewels"[2] was published by the CIA containing a reference to "Project Mockingbird", which was the name of an operation in 1963 which wiretapped two journalists who had published articles based on classified material.[3] The document does not contain references to "Operation Mockingbird".[4]

Background​

See also: CIA influence on public opinion
In the early years of the Cold War, efforts were made by the United States Government to use mass media to influence public opinion internationally. After the United States Senate Watergate Committee in 1973 uncovered domestic surveillance abuses directed by the Executive branch of the United States government and The New York Times in 1974 published an article by Seymour Hersh claiming the CIA had violated its charter by spying on anti-war activists, former CIA officials and some lawmakers called for a congressional inquiry that became known as the Church Committee.[5] Published in 1976, the committee's report confirmed some earlier stories that charged that the CIA had cultivated relationships with private institutions, including the press.[6] Without identifying individuals by name, the Church Committee stated that it found fifty journalists who had official, but secret, relationships with the CIA.[6] In a 1977 Rolling Stone magazine article, "The CIA and the Media,"[7] reporter Carl Bernstein expanded upon the Church Committee's report and wrote that more than 400 US press members had secretly carried out assignments for the CIA, including New York Times publisher Arthur Hays Sulzberger, columnist and political analyst Stewart Alsop and Time magazine.[6] Bernstein documented the way in which overseas branches of major US news agencies had for many years served as the "eyes and ears" of Operation Mockingbird, which functioned to disseminate CIA propaganda through domestic US media.[8]

In The Rising Clamor: The American Press, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the Cold War, David P. Hadley wrote that the "continued lack of specific details [provided by the Church Committee and Bernstein's exposé] proved a breeding ground for some outlandish claims regarding CIA and the press"; as an example, he offered unsourced claims by reporter Deborah Davis.[6] Davis wrote in Katharine the Great, her 1979 unauthorized biography of Katharine Graham, owner of The Washington Post, that the CIA ran an "Operation Mockingbird" during this time, writing that the Prague-based International Organization of Journalists (IOJ) "received money from Moscow and controlled reporters on every major newspaper in Europe, disseminating stories that promoted the Communist cause",[9] and that Frank Wisner, director of the Office of Policy Coordination (a covert operations unit created in 1948 by the United States National Security Council) had created Operation Mockingbird in response to the IOJ, recruiting Phil Graham from The Washington Post to run the project within the industry. According to Davis, "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of The New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles."[10] Davis wrote that after Cord Meyer joined the CIA in 1951, he became Operation Mockingbird's "principal operative."[11] Neither the Church Committee nor any of the investigations that followed it find there was such an operation as described by Davis.[6] Hadley summarized, "Mockingbird, as described by Davis, has remained a stubbornly persistent theory"; and added, "The Davis/Mockingbird theory, that the CIA operated a deliberate and systematic program of widespread manipulation of the U.S. media, does not appear to be grounded in reality, but that should not disguise the active role the CIA played in influencing the domestic press's output."[6]

Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia
The UN, The EU, The ICC, The ICRC, etc. aren't the U.S. government or media.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
IMO its not about Tucker, its about Colonel Douglas MacGregor. How do you feel about him?


After leaving the military in 2004, he became more politically active. In 2020, President Donald Trump proposed Macgregor as ambassador to Germany, but the Senate blocked the nomination. On November 11, 2020, a Pentagon spokesperson announced that Macgregor had been hired to serve as Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense,[6] a post he held for less than three months. Trump also appointed him to the board of West Point Academy, his alma mater, but the appointment was terminated by President Joe Biden.[7] Macgregor regularly contributes to Fox News and has appeared on the Russian state-funded channel RT.[8] His commentary has been noted for disparaging Ukraine, immigrants and refugees.[9][10][8]
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
That would obviously be a false equivalency and completely nonsensical. It's comical to suggest either Biden or Zelenskyy are remotely comparable.

Here, allow me to educate you:

I seriously couldn't care less what the European Parliament have to say about pretty much anything.
Wiki?
*sigh*
Meanwhile, a woman was arrested in the UK for silently praying outside an abortion clinic.
Meanwhile, a woman was arrested in the UK for saying an officer LOOKED like a lesbian.
Meanwhile, a world-famous clinical psychologist has been ordered to take social media re-training.
Any death is sad, but politics is often dangerous in many countries. Mr. Biden simply sends shock troops of lawyers and police.
With what we know already about censorship on social media, at the behest of the American government, I don't think we are in ANY position to criticize Putin on this one. Hell, we are right behind him on censorship. At least Putin hasn't thought of making a Disinformation Governance Board just yet.
You're welcome.

Always a pleasure. :)
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I seriously couldn't care less what the European Parliament have to say about pretty much anything.

Wiki?

*sigh*

Meanwhile, a woman was arrested in the UK for silently praying outside an abortion clinic.
Meanwhile, a woman was arrested in the UK for saying an officer LOOKED like a lesbian.
Meanwhile, a world-famous clinical psychologist has been ordered to take social media re-training.

Any death is sad, but politics is often dangerous in many countries. Mr. Biden simply sends shock troops of lawyers and police.

With what we know already about censorship on social media, at the behest of the American government, I don't think we are in ANY position to criticize Putin on this one. Hell, we are right behind him on censorship. At least Putin hasn't thought of making a Disinformation Governance Board just yet.

Always a pleasure. :)

So you just dismiss or downplay anything that blows holes in your narrative, or scrape together whataboutisms and false equivalencies. That's disappointing.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I've read that. Once thing that caught my eye was Trump appointed him to the board at West Point but Biden removed him.

Opposing party politics at its best or other reasons?
What does he say wrong?
It turns out he implicitly confirms it's all a proxy war...and the Americans' plan was to turn Europe into a battlefield.
The goal is to unleash a world war to dethrone Putin?
 
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