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Turning to G-d does not stall progress of science. Does it ?

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Is that story ,about Newton, a part of some science project taken up by science, please?

Regards

The story about Newton comes from HISTORY, which is not a science. In Newton's own writings he states that the orbits he couldn't explain were the 'unknowable hand of god' and thus could never be figured out. Leplay proved him to be wrong 100 years later.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I agree with one.
Science has never taken up the issue that "the truthful religion impedes or stalls the progress of science". It is not from science, it is a political notion of Atheism people to malign religion, I understand. Right,please?

Regards
Yes, that's right.

It is perfectly possible to be a religious believer and do good science, and there is no reason in principle why religious belief should impede science. BUT, it is crucial that religious belief is excluded from scientific hypotheses and theories. Religious scientists have no difficulty with that.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
"In any case, what atheists have claimed: "If there is no spirit then there cannot be any spirituality"?"

Please go through the posts of this thread, one will find the post where it has been claimed sort of Atheism who don't believe in spirit/soul yet they have spirituality, if I understood correctly. Right, please?


No! You made the claim that: atheists have claimed: "If there is no spirit then there cannot be any spirituality".

Therefore it is your responsibility to back up your assertions.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
"What "religious knowledge" are you referring to? Religious beliefs are beliefs, not knowledge"

Knowledge has many disciplines, philosophical, religions, sciences etc, all for the purpose of understanding G-d creation. Right,please?

Wrong again.

Some aspects of religion, and perhaps some aspects of philosophy, are concerned with achieving an understanding of mythical entities. Science certainly is not.

In any case, can you state some religious knowledge?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The story about Newton comes from HISTORY, which is not a science. In Newton's own writings he states that the orbits he couldn't explain were the 'unknowable hand of god' and thus could never be figured out. Leplay proved him to be wrong 100 years later.
It's a good thing that other people ignored Newton's acquiescence to his religious beliefs.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Wrong again.

Some aspects of religion, and perhaps some aspects of philosophy, are concerned with achieving an understanding of mythical entities. Science certainly is not.

In any case, can you state some religious knowledge?
[2:256]اَللّٰہُ لَاۤ اِلٰہَ اِلَّا ہُوَۚ اَلۡحَیُّ الۡقَیُّوۡمُ ۬ۚ لَا تَاۡخُذُہٗ سِنَۃٌ وَّ لَا نَوۡمٌ ؕ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ مَنۡ ذَا الَّذِیۡ یَشۡفَعُ عِنۡدَہٗۤ اِلَّا بِاِذۡنِہٖ ؕ یَعۡلَمُ مَا بَیۡنَ اَیۡدِیۡہِمۡ وَ مَا خَلۡفَہُمۡ ۚ وَ لَا یُحِیۡطُوۡنَ بِشَیۡءٍ مِّنۡ عِلۡمِہٖۤ اِلَّا بِمَا شَآءَ ۚ وَسِعَ کُرۡسِیُّہُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضَ ۚ وَ لَا یَـُٔوۡدُہٗ حِفۡظُہُمَا ۚ وَ ہُوَ الۡعَلِیُّ الۡعَظِیۡمُ ﴿۲۵۶﴾
Allah — there is no God but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that will intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them burdens Him not; and He is the High, the Great.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah

Right, please?

Regards
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Wrong again.

Some aspects of religion, and perhaps some aspects of philosophy, are concerned with achieving an understanding of mythical entities. Science certainly is not.

In any case, can you state some religious knowledge?
Allah — there is no God but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that will intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them burdens Him not; and He is the High, the Great.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah

Right, please?

Regards


So, your answer is that you cannot state some religious knowledge. All you can do is preach.
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
The things will be the same even if there is no science. Right,please?
Regards
What do you mean?

The world will still work the same way. There would still be gravity, nuclear reactions in the sun, etc.

Science is the search for how the universe works, it is not the actual laws themselves. The universe would be the same even if we didn't have science, just the same way that there would still be weather even if we didn't have meteorology.

If you mean human society would be the same if we never studied science, then no. We wouldn't have the internet, for one thing. The differences that scientific advances have provided for us are numerous and obvious.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Seriously, I know of zero evidence for a separate "spirit." I can't see gravity, but I can demonstrate it with ease. Nobody can see quantum spin, but it's used every day in MRI machines to provide detailed looks inside people's bodies.

Nobody, however, has ever produced a single means of demonstrating the existence of a spirit outside of the workings of the physical and chemical workings of the human body.
Things like EVP, eye witness accounts/sightings, photograph, etc.
It's there, however, the real question lies in the quality. This is where the ability to evaluate evidence comes in.
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
Things like EVP, eye witness accounts/sightings, photograph, etc.
It's there, however, the real question lies in the quality. This is where the ability to evaluate evidence comes in.

EVP is nonsense. It's people hearing whatever they want in static. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and photographs can easily be faked and/or misinterpreted. Just look at the Solway Firth spaceman photo, for example.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
EVP is nonsense. It's people hearing whatever they want in static. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and photographs can easily be faked and/or misinterpreted. Just look at the Solway Firth spaceman photo, for example.
Nevertheless, it is the evidence presented, with courts putting a high value on eyewitness accounts despite the problems with that form of evidence.
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
No truthful founder of any great religions ever opposed science. Right,please?

Regards
Depends what you mean by "great religions", Ahmadiyya teaches homeopathy1. Here is an Ahmadi website attacking the view that humans evolved from apes2 3,
In 2015 Ahmadis were urged to take out kids from school and send them to mosques in protest of the 2015 HPE Curriculum for sex education, Mirza Masroor Ahmad says being gay is a curable illness and that eating pork causes homosexuality4


1 Alislam View -
2 Evolution | Claims of the Promised Messiah
3 https://www.alislam.org/topics/quran/QURANIC CONCEPT OF EVOLUTION.pdf
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