U.S. Ban On Incandescent Light Bulbs Starts Next Week: Here’s What To Know

[Revoltingest]

Europe banned incandescent bulbs on 2009. Good to know America is trying to catch up


We now use mostly led bulbs as a direct replacement. Light output is about the same they use around 10% of the energy and last up to 25 times longer but cost about 5 times more than incandescent bulbs.

Some of our light fittings have florescent type bulbs. Again far more efficient with similar light output. These are left overs/still working from when the change came into force 14 years ago. They will be replaced with led bulbs when (if) they eventually fail

Fluorescents suck though.
They're difficult to dispose of properly because of
the form of mercury used to coat the inside of the
bulb. They also have flickering problems.
And they're far less efficient than LEDs.
So the market itself is phasing out fluorescent lights.

 

[Revoltingest]

Methinks you're asking the wrong person that specific question.

If we approve of government doing one thing
that's unconstitutional, then this is tacit approval
to do other things unconstitutionally.
The question must be asked simply because
it must be considered.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

If we approve of government doing one thing
that's unconstitutional, then this is tacit approval
to do other things unconstitutionally.
The question must be asked simply because
it must be considered.

I'm not sure I put much weight on the Constitution, though.

Which could create problems in determining the weight of something being "unconstitutional".

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not sure I put much weight on the Constitution, though.

If you ever see an angry cop beating up a civilian,
you can appreciate the constitutional right to
record it on your phone, publish it on youtube,
& see the victim eventually win compensation.

To most people, constitutional rights
don't matter....until they do.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

If you ever see an angry cop beating up a civilian,
you can appreciate the constitutional right to
record it on your phone, publish it on youtube,
& see the victim eventually win compensation.

To most people, constitutional rights
don't matter....until they do.

I still don't think most government bodies or people really truly follow the Constitution though, unless it's convenient for them. So I think that ship has already sailed. This is one of the reasons why I don't put much weight on it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I still don't think most government bodies or people really truly follow the Constitution though, unless it's convenient for them. So I think that ship has already sailed. This is one of the reasons why I don't put much weight on it.

Well, most people don't give it much weight.
This is one reason we see little reform in policing,
& why cis men must still register for the draft, etc.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Well, most people don't give it much weight.
This is one reason we see little reform in policing,
& why cis men must still register for the draft, etc.

Right. So it's hard to take offense at something which appears to be a good thing, as being "unconstitutional", when you're referencing a document, the Constitution, which is followed about as much as Trump follows it whenever a judge tells him to be quiet about a case or the Plaintiffs, or to reference fiction, how much the Jedi Council followed the prophecy regarding Anakin Skywalker. It seems that ship has sailed, too much to try to suddenly apply it to light bulbs. I feel that people tend to only reference the Constitution in general, when it is convenient for them, but generally not too much otherwise. And if that's truly the case, and I'm not just misunderstanding - the document may get in the way more than it helps. (People use it to suit their agendas)

 

[fantome profane]

I agree that it's useful.
But it's utterly unconstitutional.

How so?

 

[exchemist]

Thoughts?

U.S. Ban On Incandescent Light Bulbs Starts Next Week: Here’s What To Know


"The Biden Administration will implement a ban on incandescent light bulbs starting next week in favor of energy-efficient bulbs, following a yearslong bipartisan effort to phase out the bulbs after earlier regulations and standards were blocked by former President Donald Trump.

The Department of Energy approved new rules for light bulbs last year that will take effect on August 1, including a new minimum standard for light bulbs at 45 lumens—or brightness—per watt, an increase over the average 12 to 18 lumens per watt for incandescent bulbs.

Retailers will be prohibited from selling any bulbs—including incandescent bulbs—that don’t match the new standard, though households using any existing bulb that does not meet the standard will not be required to stop using them.

The decision was meant to conserve energy and “help consumers save on their energy bills,” as more energy-efficient bulbs—like LEDs—use at least 75% less energy and last up to 25 times longer than incandescent bulbs, according to the department.

An effort to phase out less efficient bulbs was initiated by former President George W. Bush, whose Energy Independence and Security Act in 2007 called for household light bulbs to have “about 25% greater efficiency,” though it did not outright ban incandescent bulbs, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.

Former President Barack Obama added two new regulations to the act in 2017, which would have effectively phased out incandescent bulbs and other specialty bulbs, like candle-shaped bulbs used in chandeliers, by January 2020, according to the EPA.

The Department of Energy later blocked the regulations during Trump’s presidency in 2019, after Trump—who said energy-efficient bulbs Americans were “being forced to use” made him “look orange”—advocated against them and other environmental regulations."

MSN

The EU did something similar a few years ago. At first, the non-incandescent alterantives were a bit clunky: long time to warm up, funny colour effects etc, but now they are fine.

In fact, there is a quite a selection of alternative types, including LEDs that have what looks like a filament in a clear glass envelope and which generate the same kind of "warm" glow that you get from an incandescent filament. (This is a close to a black body radiation spectrum curve, i.e. the same as emitted by the sun - which is why such light looks the most natural to us.)

 

[Revoltingest]

Right. So it's hard to take offense at something which appears to be a good thing, as being "unconstitutional", when you're referencing a document, the Constitution, which is followed about as much as Trump follows it whenever a judge tells him to be quiet about a case or the Plaintiffs, or to reference fiction, how much the Jedi Council followed the prophecy regarding Anakin Skywalker. It seems that ship has sailed, too much to try to suddenly apply it to light bulbs. I feel that people tend to only reference the Constitution in general, when it is convenient for them, but generally not too much otherwise. And if that's truly the case, and I'm not just misunderstanding - the document may get in the way more than it helps.

Do you think cops should be able to stop
anyone to demand their papers, & dispense
summary justice to offenders without a trial?
Many people believe that to be good.
But the Constitution gets in the way.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Do you think cops should be able to stop
anyone to demand their papers, & dispense
summary justice to offenders without a trial?
Many people believe that to be good.
But the Constitution gets in the way.

I'd debate that question by answering like this...

"No, I don't think in a system originally created in the Constitution, and seeing the results now, that it would be better without said Constitution without additional overhaul taking place in the process."

 

[ChristineM]

Fluorescents suck though.
They're difficult to dispose of properly because of
the form of mercury used to coat the inside of the
bulb. They also have flickering problems.
And they're far less efficient than LEDs.
So the market itself is phasing out fluorescent lights.

I agree, that's why they will be replaced with led bulbs in time. When we bought them florescent was the only option (except halogen which for some reason are still available)

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd debate that question by answering like this...

"No, I don't think in a system originally created in the Constitution, and seeing the results now, that it would be better without said Constitution without additional overhaul taking place in the process."

It's amended regularly.
The difficult & lengthy process tends to weed out
ill considered passions of the moment. This is good.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree, that's why they will be replaced with led bulbs in time. When we bought them florescent was the only option (except halogen which for some reason are still available)

Halogen lights suck.
Waste electricity & are fire hazard.

I've been thru all phases of lighting.....
Incandescent
T-12 fluroescent (magnetic ballast)
T-8 fluorescent (electronic ballast)
T-5 fluroescent (electronic ballast)
CFL
Mercury vapor
Sodium, both high-pressure & low-pressure
LED

The marketplace led me to more
& more efficient solutions.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

It's amended regularly.
The difficult & lengthy process tends to weed out
ill considered passions of the moment. This is good.

Still, everything that has happened so far here from recent histories, up to the building up of society and its problems, up to cherry-picking the Constitution and misusing it at times, has all been under the watch/command of the Constitution.

 

[ChristineM]

Halogen lights suck.
Waste electricity & are fire hazard.

Yup. I do not see why they are still available

 

[Revoltingest]

Still, everything that has happened so far here from recent histories, up to the building up of society and its problems, up to cherry-picking the Constitution and misusing it at times, has all been under the watch/command of the Constitution.

Nay, it's been under the watch of politicians, voters, courts, & us gadflies.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Nay, it's been under the watch of politicians, voters, courts, & us gadflies.

Which is a sign that the Constitution doesn't appear to have a solution for such things.

 

[Secret Chief]

I though this happened a long time ago.

I mean really, how many politicians does it take to change a light bulb?

Incandescent bulbs? What are they, a fancy name for candles? Went out with the lamplighter.

 

[Revoltingest]

Which is a sign that the Constitution doesn't appear to have a solution for such things.

Tis better than not having a constitution.
Have you ever had a run in with cops or government?