U.S. Ban On Incandescent Light Bulbs Starts Next Week: Here’s What To Know

[PoetPhilosopher]

Have you ever had a run in with cops or government?

Honestly, they seem pretty fair around here, but me and most of my friends are white and middle class/upper middle class. So I'm not really the demographic where a lot of people say really bad things are happening.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All they know how to do is ban things.

Yeah!! Dang Republicans!!!

 

[Revoltingest]

Honestly, they seem pretty fair around here, but me and most of my friends are white and middle class/upper middle class. So I'm not really the demographic where a lot of people say really bad things are happening.

It's wise to consider the plights of more vulnerable groups,
eg, minorities, non-neurotypicals, elderly, infirm, handicapped.
We should look beyond our own personal experience.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

It's wise to consider the plights of more vulnerable groups,
eg, minorities, non-neurotypicals, elderly, infirm, handicapped.
We should look beyond our own personal experience.

I'm actually non-neurotypical (ie, neurodivergent).

However, I come from a family which has cops, government workers, ministers, etc in it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm actually non-neurotypical (ie, neurodivergent).

Then you've been lucky.
Autism, deafness, & other such variations from
the norm put one at much greater risk. They
really need special training to avoid having
cops mis-read their condition as something
requiring physical assault

However, I come from a family which has cops, government workers, ministers, etc in it.

Motly miscreants, eh.

Ya donna wanna be deaf, & encounter cops.

But even "normal" people obeying a cop's
order to get their license can get them shot.

 

[Revoltingest]

All they know how to do is ban things.

Light bulbs & libraries....both parties love to ban things.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I wanted to add that despite my posts in this thread, I don't necessarily support doing away with the Constitution (I'm more versatile on my ideas than that), however I find it easier to argue against it than answer a question which may be easy for some, like the question of something being "unconstitutional" and the slippery slope when the thing "unconstitutional" is good and I felt some haven't really been following the Constitution for awhile anyways, it's just hard for me to answer when I don't really "think" in those terms to begin with, so I kind of played the other side here.

Honestly, that being said, I felt @Revoltingest 's initial question about the slippery slope of unconstitutionality was good, though.

 

[fantome profane]

If we approve of government doing one thing
that's unconstitutional, then this is tacit approval
to do other things unconstitutionally.
The question must be asked simply because
it must be considered.

In what way is this ban unconstitutional?

 

[Revoltingest]

In what way is this ban unconstitutional?

Because there is no clause or amendment
in the Constitution that grants the power
to ban consumer products. We should be
cautious about approving things we like,
because this approach could also be used
to do things we dislike.
I argue that we should fight the governmental
culture of impunity, because the Constitution
is only observed if most have that desire.
Eliminate that, & there'll be too few willing
to enforce the Constitution.
One might think that governmental culture
isn't a problem. I offer MAGAs as an example.
Trump came close to a successful coup. We
were fortunate that Pence & the Georgia
Secretary of State (Brad Raffensperger) stood
in Trump's way....because of the culture of
honoring the Constituiton.

 

[VoidCat]

As an autistic who is nearsighted and has photosensitity issues I hate florescent lighting. Too bright. LED lights however are ok. I much prefer them.

 

[VoidCat]

I don't care what they are, as long as they're plastic, not glass.

My 9 year old has a trigger with glass bulbs and automatically breaks them(he doesn't even think, its a reaction).

Have you tried sensory bubble tubes? Im considering getting some. They are very gentle on autistic eyes from what I hear. You can find some not made of glass.

 

[fantome profane]

Because there is no clause or amendment
in the Constitution that grants the power
to ban consumer products.

Can the government ban fentanyl? Or lead paint? Or asbestos? Or Kinder eggs?

I think your reasoning is flawed. There is nothing in the U.S. constitution that says the government can’t ban consumer products.

 

[JustGeorge]

Have you tried sensory bubble tubes? Im considering getting some. They are very gentle on autistic eyes from what I hear. You can find some not made of glass.

He isn't bothered by the light; he enjoys bright light(he's hyposensitive as opposed to hypersensitive). He just really enjoys shattering bulbs. I don't know if its the sound, looking at the shiny shards, but he does enjoy the controversy surrounding it. We get the plastic ones so if he chucks it, it just bounces(I noticed he almost seems relieved when they bounce, and am not sure he has full control over his 'toss glass bulb' impulse).

 

[Alien826]

I though this happened a long time ago.

I mean really, how many politicians does it take to change a light bulb?

Just one, but it takes longer because the BS makes the bulb slippery and difficult to hold.

 

[YmirGF]

I have a 3 year old "tiny" house so everything is LED, aside from an old table lamp that has an low wattage incandescent bulb. I inherited so many light bulbs I took bunches to the local recycling depot LOL. My parents were not hoarders but they could not pass up things on sale for some reason.

 

[VoidCat]

Hey speaking of lights I'm trying to figure out the name of a light that I've been looking into getting...my aunt got me it as a kid but I no longer have it. I just don't know what they were called. They were like a bunch of straw very stringy and changed colour. Very tactile which is why im considering them. Anyone know what they called?

 

[Revoltingest]

Can the government ban fentanyl? Or lead paint? Or asbestos? Or Kinder eggs?

Good questions.

I think your reasoning is flawed. There is nothing in the U.S. constitution that says the government can’t ban consumer products.

I knew you'd believe that.
What constitutional basis is there for it though?
I'd like to see your analysis.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good questions.

I knew you'd believe that.
What constitutional basis is there for it though?
I'd like to see your analysis.

From my understanding unless it is banned by the Constitution everything else can be regulated by the government. Sometimes there are squabbles over which parts of government can do things. For example are they national issues or state issues? There are a lot of rights that can be extracted from the Amendments, but I doubt if one can find the right to buy incandescent bulbs in there.

 

[Nakosis]

Thoughts?

U.S. Ban On Incandescent Light Bulbs Starts Next Week: Here’s What To Know


"The Biden Administration will implement a ban on incandescent light bulbs starting next week in favor of energy-efficient bulbs, following a yearslong bipartisan effort to phase out the bulbs after earlier regulations and standards were blocked by former President Donald Trump.

The Department of Energy approved new rules for light bulbs last year that will take effect on August 1, including a new minimum standard for light bulbs at 45 lumens—or brightness—per watt, an increase over the average 12 to 18 lumens per watt for incandescent bulbs.

Retailers will be prohibited from selling any bulbs—including incandescent bulbs—that don’t match the new standard, though households using any existing bulb that does not meet the standard will not be required to stop using them.

The decision was meant to conserve energy and “help consumers save on their energy bills,” as more energy-efficient bulbs—like LEDs—use at least 75% less energy and last up to 25 times longer than incandescent bulbs, according to the department.

An effort to phase out less efficient bulbs was initiated by former President George W. Bush, whose Energy Independence and Security Act in 2007 called for household light bulbs to have “about 25% greater efficiency,” though it did not outright ban incandescent bulbs, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.

Former President Barack Obama added two new regulations to the act in 2017, which would have effectively phased out incandescent bulbs and other specialty bulbs, like candle-shaped bulbs used in chandeliers, by January 2020, according to the EPA.

The Department of Energy later blocked the regulations during Trump’s presidency in 2019, after Trump—who said energy-efficient bulbs Americans were “being forced to use” made him “look orange”—advocated against them and other environmental regulations."

MSN

What happens when the next administration comes along and decides abortion is bad for the country so outlaws the procedure?

It is all well and good if to give greater government control as long as you agree with the control the government is enforcing. However once you given any control to the government it is very hard to take that control back.

Now you are letting the government tell you what you can and can't buy. Next you'll be letting the government tell you which elective medical procedure you can and can't have done usually decided by the biggest campaign donors and big corporations.

 

[fantome profane]

Good questions.

I knew you'd believe that.
What constitutional basis is there for it though?
I'd like to see your analysis.

This is my analysis.

There is nothing in the U.S. constitution that says the government can’t ban consumer products.

That is my analysis.











Ok, I am feeling generous. I will give you a little bit more, but only if you promise to be good.


"All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States."

Congress has the power to make laws. Nothing says those laws cannot ban a consumer products.

There is lots of precedent (I alluded to some) of Congress and/or State govenment, passing laws that ban consumer products. The Supreme court has not declared these laws to be unconstitutional.

The constitution does prohibit Congress from banning guns, and from establishing religion.

"Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

If they wanted to prohibit Congress from banning consumer products, they could have and would have. They didn't. Not yet anyway.

The 28th Amendment has not been passed yet.

28th Amendment
A Corporatocracy being necessary to keep the rich rich and the poor poor, the right to sell dangerous and inefficient crap shall not be infringed.