Undercover atheists in LDS Church

[Storm]

that's right go ahead and...
:run:

 

[Apex]

You know what? I'm not this bored.

Same. I am starting to remember why I took a break from posting to begin with.

 

[waitasec]

kicks can...




as angelous would say

 

[Katzpur]

they lied about chastity and avoiding hot drinks...

Okay, I really don't have the time to listen to the entire podcast, so if you wouldn't mind telling me, what was said about chastity and avoiding hot drinks that you believe to have been a lie?

 

[Katzpur]

Okay, they didn't lie. They were just dishonest. See this post. Ulterior motives are dishonest.

I've been thinking about this. Yes, they did lie. When they were interviewed prior to their baptisms, they would have had to profess a firm belief in certain fundamental doctrines of the Church. Since at no time did they ever believe in any of the things they would have had to claim to believe in order to be approved for baptism, they lied.

 

[waitasec]

Okay, I really don't have the time to listen to the entire podcast, so if you wouldn't mind telling me, what was said about chastity and avoiding hot drinks that you believe to have been a lie?

they lied about their vow of chastity and to avoid hot drinks...

they did mention their doubt and to be fair the couple were happy to report that the elders thought if someone didn't have doubt it would be strange...

 

[Katzpur]

i had an interesting conversation with another LDS member on the forum and she said she was not allowed to enter the priesthood
i then proceeded to explain that not being allowed to do anything is ultimately being subjeted to another person.
do you agree?

No I do not. I believe that I am being subjected to laws established by God and revealed to us through His prophets.

i don't know, if i were representing an institution i believed in i would be concerned as to how a person sees it.

Well, I am concerned, as are most Mormons. We're just not concerned enough to feel like we have to put on some kind of a performance to impress people. The Church is what it is. Its members are what they are. About the only thing I can say beyond that is that it must be pretty darned stressful to be so paranoid all the time, to feel as if people are always trying to con you.

 

[waitasec]

I've been thinking about this. Yes, they did lie. When they were interviewed prior to their baptisms, they would have had to profess a firm belief in certain fundamental doctrines of the Church. Since at no time did they ever believe in any of the things they would have had to claim to believe in order to be approved for baptism, they lied.

i must admit the baptism was a bit sketchy imo, but people do what they do for some reason or another, and i still stand behind what i said in post #135

 

[Katzpur]

they lied about their vow of chastity and to avoid hot drinks...

You already said that. What did they have to say about chastity and about hot drinks? Are you saying that the atheists agreed not to have sexual relations outside of marriage or to drink tea and coffee, and that these were the only lies they told, or are you saying that the Mormons were dishonest in explaining their beliefs on these topics to the atheists? I just don't know what you're getting at.

they did mention their doubt and to be fair the couple were happy to report that the elders thought if someone didn't have doubt it would be strange...

Doubt is pretty different than outright disbelief, don't you think?

 

[waitasec]

No I do not. I believe that I am being subjected to laws established by God and revealed to us through His prophets.

Well, I am concerned, as are most Mormons. We're just not concerned enough to feel like we have to put on some kind of a performance to impress people.

then what difference does it make?

The Church is what it is. Its members are what they are.

right...my point from the get go.

About the only thing I can say beyond that is that it must be pretty darned stressful to be so paranoid all the time, to feel as if people are always trying to con you.

i don't feel like i'm being coned, if that is what you are implying...
i see what i see and i make my own decisions based on what i see...
there's nothing wrong with that as far as i'm concerned

 

[Katzpur]

Well that just makes this even more ridiculous. Though I still think it would be good form and polite to inform the priest(?) before you just turned up. This way you could also ask about protocol so as not to offend.

Seriously, non-LDS people show up unannounced at LDS worship services every Sunday in congregations throughout the world. If someone wanted to know what appropriate dress might be or something like that, I can understand why it might be a good idea to contact someone in the congregation first. But other than that, there is simply no need to do so. In a lot of places, you could attend Sacrament Meeting (where everyone meets together) and hardly be noticed.

I think the people that do stuff like this are ridiculous and it is actions like this by these sorts of people that make other think atheists are pricks who just want to make fun of religion.

I agree.

 

[waitasec]

my opinion is that you are being closed minded and have a preconceived notion about what they are reporting...
i'm just wondering why that would be, that's all...

 

[Katzpur]

then what difference does it make?


right...my point from the get go.

i don't feel like i'm being coned, if that is what you are implying...
i see what i see and i make my own decisions based on what i see...
there's nothing wrong with that as far as i'm concerned

We're so not talking to each other at this point. Nothing you're saying is making any sense to me at all, and from what I'm getting from the other posts, you're not making a whole lot of sense to anybody at this point. I'm just thinking you're in the mood to argue. Anyway, I've got to go. I'll check back later to see if there are actually any posts that it would make sense for me to reply to.

 

[Katzpur]

my opinion is that you are being closed minded and have a preconceived notion about what they are reporting...
i'm just wondering why that would be, that's all...

I have no idea what they reported except as explained by posters in this thread, so I don't know how I could possibly be closed-minded about it.

 

[waitasec]

you have all the right to
:ignore: what i'm saying.
question is why are you?

 

[Katzpur]

you have all the right to
:ignore: what i'm saying.
question is why are you?

I am not ignoring you. I just can't figure out what you're trying to say. And to be perfectly honest, I'm getting close to giving up. I've never ignored you in the past, and I've always been very forthright in my answers. You're the one who's being difficult here, not me.

 

[McBell]

my opinion is that you are being closed minded and have a preconceived notion about what they are reporting...
i'm just wondering why that would be, that's all...

Really?

I mean you really have to wonder why someone would assume that a couple of people who lied their way in (when they did not have to) for the sole reason of doing a "report" on a group of people who have been under constant attack even on this very forum would have bad things to say about it?

Really?

 

[waitasec]

I am not ignoring you. I just can't figure out what you're trying to say. And to be perfectly honest, I'm getting close to giving up. I've never ignored you in the past, and I've always been very forthright in my answers. You're the one who's being difficult here, not me.

do you honestly think if someone wanted to get to the nitty gritty of what it's like to be a member of the LDS community, they should make their presence known? really?

 

[waitasec]

Really?

I mean you really have to wonder why someone would assume that a couple of people who lied their way in (when they did not have to) for the sole reason of doing a "report" on a group of people who have been under constant attack even on this very forum would have bad things to say about it?

Really?

insecurity is what insecurity does...

 

[McBell]

insecurity is what insecurity does...

Wow.
You have already been reduced to spouting nonsense.