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That was exactly my point.
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Unforgivable sin?
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That was exactly my point.
At what's referred to as the second coming, or rather raised or awakened from the sleeping dead on resurrection morning, so to speak, during Jesus millennial-long day of Peace on Earth.
See Daniel 12:2,13.
Remember Jesus ransom covers: 'many' as Matt 20:28 also says.
So with the exception of Matthew 12:32 includes those of Hebrews 6:4 to 6.
Please also keep in mind not just Christians are resurrected. Romans 6:7 applies to all that have Not committed the unforgivable sin.
For those of us alive on earth at the time of Jesus 'glory' [Matt 25:31,32] the ones Jesus judges as righteous can remain alive or keep on living right into the start of Jesus 1000-year rule over earth. Those judged as wicked will be destroyed with No resurrection anywhere heaven or earth- just annihilation.
Psalm 92:7; Isaiah 11:4; Rev 19:11,15; 2 Thess 1:9; Jeremiah 25:31-33.
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Holy cow.
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Fortunately, I am not bound by other's beliefs.
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Hear, hear. The holy spirit, like the cake, is a lie.
RE: Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as out guidelines.
According to Scripture the 'infancy' of our intelligence began with Adam. Adam let his religion not fade away, but 'adopted' people rule over God's Golden Rule.
Mankind in general can trace its religions infancy all the way back to ancient Babylon.
As the pagan peoples migrated away from Mesopotamia they took with them their infant pagan religious beliefs and ideas and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. That is why we see woven into the fabric of the world's religions such similar threads of beliefs.
That is how 1st-century Christianity got corrupted. Pagan ideas and practices were adopted after the 1st century ended by the religious clergy classes. Basically what the churches teach are traditions or customs outside of Scripture and have now reached the point that the world's religions have run afoul playing false to Scripture.
The world's religions feel secure as some sort of religious 'queen' because she has furthered her own agenda, which is often political, she thinks the political 'kings' or political world will continue to have a spiritual affair with her.
There will be No fading away of religion, but rather an abrupt end to her because the political sees that religion is getting no longer useful to them but has created a dangerous religious climate brewing in the world today. With backing the United Nations can be strengthened to turn on troublesome religion.
In past Bible history God used a 'political or military ax' to get rid of what was spiritually unclean. Since the world's religions play false to God, again God will have the political or military ax surprisingly turn on the world's religious sector bringing it to an end.
Science has adopted its doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock with its hands close to striking the dark midnight hour for mankind, whereas what the Bible really teaches is that there will be divine intervention into mankind's affairs removing wickedness from earth and all men of goodwill can continue to live into a thousand years of Peace on Earth.
That peace includes that all families of the earth will be blessed, and all nations of the earth will be blessed as promise to Abraham.
Genesis 12:3; 22:17,18; Rev. 17:2; 18:7; 19:15; 21:4,5; Isaiah 11:4; Acts 20:29,30;Micah 4:3,4.
According to Scripture the 'infancy' of our intelligence began with Adam. Adam let his religion not fade away, but 'adopted' people rule over God's Golden Rule.
Mankind in general can trace its religions infancy all the way back to ancient Babylon.
As the pagan peoples migrated away from Mesopotamia they took with them their infant pagan religious beliefs and ideas and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. That is why we see woven into the fabric of the world's religions such similar threads of beliefs.
That is how 1st-century Christianity got corrupted. Pagan ideas and practices were adopted after the 1st century ended by the religious clergy classes. Basically what the churches teach are traditions or customs outside of Scripture and have now reached the point that the world's religions have run afoul playing false to Scripture.
The world's religions feel secure as some sort of religious 'queen' because she has furthered her own agenda, which is often political, she thinks the political 'kings' or political world will continue to have a spiritual affair with her.
There will be No fading away of religion, but rather an abrupt end to her because the political sees that religion is getting no longer useful to them but has created a dangerous religious climate brewing in the world today. With backing the United Nations can be strengthened to turn on troublesome religion.
In past Bible history God used a 'political or military ax' to get rid of what was spiritually unclean. Since the world's religions play false to God, again God will have the political or military ax surprisingly turn on the world's religious sector bringing it to an end.
Science has adopted its doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock with its hands close to striking the dark midnight hour for mankind, whereas what the Bible really teaches is that there will be divine intervention into mankind's affairs removing wickedness from earth and all men of goodwill can continue to live into a thousand years of Peace on Earth.
That peace includes that all families of the earth will be blessed, and all nations of the earth will be blessed as promise to Abraham.
Genesis 12:3; 22:17,18; Rev. 17:2; 18:7; 19:15; 21:4,5; Isaiah 11:4; Acts 20:29,30;Micah 4:3,4.
And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes and death shall be no more, neither shall mourning, nor outcry, nor pain be anymore for the former things have passed away.
Religion uniformly describes afterlife benes for all that believe. (Kinda like an elitist Socialism?)
Control of your actions in this life in return for the promise of eternal happiness in your next. A potent mix that can cause people to burn their testes trying to blow up a plane or who actually will pilot planes into buildings like on 9/11. Those are extremes... Normally the effects are less drastic... Causing one to judge others based on their local soaked up mental slop of ancient superstition or become overly preachy or go door to door. Some just wear a cross and preach the good parts of the bible overlooking the horror and rated r,x material which is deemed so holy.
Another way to look at it is what did bertrand actually mean mate? What was he trying to communicate?
You can read, twist and spin his words to meet your beliefs... or you can examine the statement and his context and try to rationally understand what he was trying to communicate.
But then again... using reason is just silly when you already have faith. Faith is not just a substitute for reason - its the only thing.
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Well not for nothing but markedly less then what is normally thought of. I mean blaspheming against that fake holy spirit is not entirely common. But if jesus could forgive anything... he would be all powerful... Only god has that power and he sent his only son... (What? I thought we were all gods children), to forgive all that ask of it. (Unless they deny the holy spirit)
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P.S.: I deny the holy spirit.
"Many" "Many'" "Many"
Repeatedly Scripture says Christ death covers "many" [Matt 20:28].
Jesus died for all, but since all do not want to be humble meek and rather practice wickedness [Psalm 92:7], there reaches a cut off point so that is why Scriptures say many and not all. It does not say nothing or no one.
2nd Peter 3:9 b says God does not want any to perish, but all to repent.
Aye, only the righteous themselves will possess the earth and they will indeed reside forever upon it.
Can you deny the holy spirit and still be righteous?
Jesus [Isaiah 11:3] will be the judge of who makes up those of Matthew 12:32; and Hebrews 6:4-6.
By the end of Jesus 1000-year rule over earth, all living at that time will be judged as righteous ones, so wouldn't that mean they do Not fall under Matthew 12:32; or Hebrews 6:4-6?
So its a matter of interpretation? Imagine why we have so many christ based sects of religion.
Is your position the bible is true only with a true interpretation then?
Jesus based his true interpretation by reasoning on Scripture.
The Bible has corresponding or parallel verses or passages
that show its internal harmony among its writers.
By comparing one can see what Jesus and Scripture is conveying.
We have so many Christ-based sects [denominations ] because as foretold at Acts 20:29,30 false wolf-like religious clergy in sheep's clothing would fleece the flocks for their own profit. That is why Jesus said that the Wheat and Weeds [genuine and false] would grow together until the harvest, or our time frame, before they are separated as in Jesus illustration at Matt 25:32.
Matthew chapter 7 Jesus told 'many' would come in his name but prove false.
So short answer: Yes. Most interpretations are false but there is one true one. And it happened 2010 years ago give or take. Given that Mitochondrial DNA and fossil evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago Jesus waited a 198,000 years to show up.
I can see this argument working in ancient times but chit chatting on the Internet about it is amusing. (All around)
So who you going with for the true interpretation? Baptists? Mormons? Jehovah Witnesses?
Indicates and conclusive?
Jesus could have shown up anytime from Genesis 3:15 onward.
The conditions were right 2000 years ago for fulfillment of prophecy.
Jesus, of course, believed his interpretation was the true one tracing his teachings back to the beginning of Genesis.
From ancient Babylon it was the pagan people that migrated and populated the world with their similar pagan religious concepts, not Scripture, and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the great.
After first-century Christianity ended there was a blending of those pagan religious ideas mixing with what Jesus taught. That fusion of beliefs has ended up with modern day religious Babylonians. This includes so-called Christians that keep those pagan holiday traditions and pagan customs outside of Scripture as being Scripture. Those are really false interpretations of Scripture, when in actuality they are true interpretations of pagan religious roots.
That is why Jesus believed his way was the only true way to follow. The rest are all influenced by vestiges from pagan religious sources. So, in a way, Jesus teachings are a reversal of what transpired back in ancient Babylon.
Are you a Jehovah Witness or just share their beliefs? Also I would note there are lots of prophecies for many gods and beliefs. Did you research all of em and then choose one supernatural fairy tale to live according to or did you just choose the one you grew up with?
And not to get completely off subject here... Christians that worship those pagan traditions like halloween, easter and christmas etc... They can be forgiven... But one who in a fit of madness (Or a lapse of madness? hehe) deigns to blaspheme against the holy spirit but lives the rest of their life according to christ can not, according to ye old bible, be forgiven. (Unless that is a false interpretation... as much like highlander, when it comes to religions there can be only one.)
Now you said Jesus... Do think in his time he was called Jesus? But you said Jesus could have showed up any time after Genesis 3:15. Why? When do you think Genesis 3:15 took place? What is the significance in Genesis of the begats? So and so begat so and so etc etc.
As far as what jesus said, he didnt always blurt out the nicest things did he? Didnt he chastise some poor pharisees for not killing their disobedient kids? (Same story in matthew and mark correct?)
What would jesus do indeed.
Good Old Jesus said:
You would think Jesus would give the kids some slack eh?
Those of Exodus chapters 20 and 21 are Not minor children but adults.
A 90 year old parent can have a child or children. Usually not minor children.
Exo 21:14 says 'man' not minor child.
The people agreed to the Constitution of the Mosaic law.- Exo 24:3 b.
If you became a citizen of a country wouldn't you be expected to keep the laws of the land? Those witnessed offenses for adults carried the death penalty for an adult child.
Not sure what you mean about Matthew 1:25 about Mary naming her son Jesus?
Do you mean not called Christ until Jesus was anointed?
Since the Jews were looking for the Messiah (Dan 9:25,26) then the begats would show two things. One would be legal right , and the other the fleshly inherited right.
Mary's begats the fleshly line of descent. Joseph's the legal right to the throne of David.
Gen 3:15 took place right after the fall of Adam and Eve. The first prophecy was to give mankind hope that there would be a good outcome for most of humanity. That there would be a 'seed' [singular] that would do away with Satan [2 Cor 4:4] the god of this world of badness.
There would be no need for the 'seed' to show up before mankind's fall because mankind did not need a messiah or deliverer from sin and death because before sin death did not exist for the human race.
After the fall into sin time was needed for us to be born and populate the earth
[Gen 1:28]. -Seems as if people got that part right.
So anytime that conditions would be right for the promised 'seed' to fulfill prophecy would work out. As time went on, so people could recognize the 'seed' Daniel [9:25,26] gives or releases more details to help the people discern the coming Messiah.
Things were progressively revealed.. Once the temple records were destroyed in the year 70 no one had the 'begats' to know whose line they were in.
Not sure which verse in Matthew chapter 23 you are referring? Jesus pronounced many 'woes' and gives his reasons why at Matt 23 against the unloving Jewish clergy. Jesus stressed their need for humility and he warned them about their love of prominence.
see also Mark 7:7,13.
Those false religious leaders used their personal opinion and shoved it into the mouth of God, so to speak, just like they were some kind of holy ventriloquist. Even today the clergy class often puts words in Jesus mouth instead of listening to the words that came out of his mouth in order to further their own agenda, often political.
In a nut shell, an atheist that I played chess with while a friend attended college in NYC was reading the Bible through for the second time. I could not answer his questions.
He pointed out to me how corrupt the clergy class is. I told him that should not surprise us because the clergy was corrupt in Jesus day. He asked me about the Isaiah wall at the United Nations Plaza and wanted me to explain Isaiah 2:4 to him. I had no clue. I never ever heard of Isaiah 2:4 yet explain it. But it was enough to get me to go buy a study reference Bible, and one day I met a man that said he had good news for me.
He read to me Ecc 1:4 B that the earth was going to exist forever. Both church and school taught the earth was going to be destroyed so I wanted to know more.
After all, both can't be right. Either church and school are right or the Bible is.
As you can discern I have concluded that what the Bible really teaches is true.
A 90 year old parent can have a child or children. Usually not minor children.
Exo 21:14 says 'man' not minor child.
The people agreed to the Constitution of the Mosaic law.- Exo 24:3 b.
If you became a citizen of a country wouldn't you be expected to keep the laws of the land? Those witnessed offenses for adults carried the death penalty for an adult child.
Not sure what you mean about Matthew 1:25 about Mary naming her son Jesus?
Do you mean not called Christ until Jesus was anointed?
Since the Jews were looking for the Messiah (Dan 9:25,26) then the begats would show two things. One would be legal right , and the other the fleshly inherited right.
Mary's begats the fleshly line of descent. Joseph's the legal right to the throne of David.
Gen 3:15 took place right after the fall of Adam and Eve. The first prophecy was to give mankind hope that there would be a good outcome for most of humanity. That there would be a 'seed' [singular] that would do away with Satan [2 Cor 4:4] the god of this world of badness.
There would be no need for the 'seed' to show up before mankind's fall because mankind did not need a messiah or deliverer from sin and death because before sin death did not exist for the human race.
After the fall into sin time was needed for us to be born and populate the earth
[Gen 1:28]. -Seems as if people got that part right.
So anytime that conditions would be right for the promised 'seed' to fulfill prophecy would work out. As time went on, so people could recognize the 'seed' Daniel [9:25,26] gives or releases more details to help the people discern the coming Messiah.
Things were progressively revealed.. Once the temple records were destroyed in the year 70 no one had the 'begats' to know whose line they were in.
Not sure which verse in Matthew chapter 23 you are referring? Jesus pronounced many 'woes' and gives his reasons why at Matt 23 against the unloving Jewish clergy. Jesus stressed their need for humility and he warned them about their love of prominence.
see also Mark 7:7,13.
Those false religious leaders used their personal opinion and shoved it into the mouth of God, so to speak, just like they were some kind of holy ventriloquist. Even today the clergy class often puts words in Jesus mouth instead of listening to the words that came out of his mouth in order to further their own agenda, often political.
In a nut shell, an atheist that I played chess with while a friend attended college in NYC was reading the Bible through for the second time. I could not answer his questions.
He pointed out to me how corrupt the clergy class is. I told him that should not surprise us because the clergy was corrupt in Jesus day. He asked me about the Isaiah wall at the United Nations Plaza and wanted me to explain Isaiah 2:4 to him. I had no clue. I never ever heard of Isaiah 2:4 yet explain it. But it was enough to get me to go buy a study reference Bible, and one day I met a man that said he had good news for me.
He read to me Ecc 1:4 B that the earth was going to exist forever. Both church and school taught the earth was going to be destroyed so I wanted to know more.
After all, both can't be right. Either church and school are right or the Bible is.
As you can discern I have concluded that what the Bible really teaches is true.
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That's like rejecting scientific findings based on this:
Does this painting [Monet] contain or communicate truth?
Is there any other painter who can communicate truth, inspiring our human experession and explaining our human condition?