Unforgivable sin?

[Falvlun]

That's not what he said. What he said was.

1. Your repentance would mean nothing if you didn't know Jesus or the reason why you have to repent

2. That if you serve any other God other than Jesus, you will die in your sins.

I'm pretty sure that's not what AE meant. He's generally a bit more nuanced in his thoughts about Christianity.

Also, since you do seem to believe that there is an unforgiveable sin, does that mean that Jesus' death wasn't great enough to cover everything? Doesn't that seem a bit blasphemous in itself: Oh, sorry Son of God, you just endured an extremely gruesome death and defeated the forces of Satan, but it just doesn't quite cover it when someone decides to do something particularly nasty.

You also claimed that suicide would be an unforgiveable sin, since you can't ask for forgiveness afterwards. By implication, you must believe that you must ask for forgiveness/repent of every single one of your sins in order for it to be forgiven. What if one slips your mind or what if you didn't know it actually was a sin? Could you just say a blanket "Please, God, forgive me for all of my sins", and since all of your sins would include your future suicide, wouldn't it be covered?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

'Obviously' you don't know as much as you think you do about Satanism, which has absolutely nothing to do with the bible or christianity. There is no need to feel bad for me, I am not enshackled to the death cult that is christianity in any way. Thank you for your concern, though.

 

[Kittles10]

Can you specify what type of Satanist you are? Do you follow any particular writings or beliefs? Please enlighten me...

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

I realize you are new here, but please try to stay on topic.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I am not enshackled to the death cult that is christianity in any way.

Why do you say that Christianity is a death cult?

Didn't Jesus teach about everlasting life or eternal life?
Life is the opposite of death.

Christianity is life oriented:

Doesn't Revelation 21v4 say at the time of Jesus ruling over earth that 'Death will be No more'. If something is No more it no longer exists.

Doesn't 1st Cor. 15v26 say that our last enemy will be brought to nothing?
Our last enemy according to that verse is: death. In other words, our last enemy 'death' will be brought to nothing. Nothing means no more death.

That was not a new thought to Christianity because doesn't Isaiah 25v8 say that death will be swallowed up in victory?..... When something is swallowed up it is gone.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Why do you say that Christianity is a death cult?

Well, quite simply because it posits life as some sort of test of placement in the great hereafter, for which death is the great gateway. The net effect is diminishing the value of THIS life, relegating it as a sort of second-banana experience behind the REAL deal, which is 'heaven'. As such, christianity enshrines death.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Well, quite simply because it posits life as some sort of test of placement in the great hereafter, for which death is the great gateway. The net effect is diminishing the value of THIS life, relegating it as a sort of second-banana experience behind the REAL deal, which is 'heaven'. As such, christianity enshrines death.

For Adam death was the great gateway back to dust or non-existence.

Life on earth was not meant to be a stepping stone to another place.
The real deal was if Adam had not sinned he would still be here in perfect human health of mind and body.

Romans 6v7 shows that death does free or acquit a person [except for those of Matt 12v32;Heb 6vs4-6]. Freed or acquitted does not mean innocent but like a governor can pardon a person so the charges no longer stick.

Since we can not resurrect oneself or another we need someone to do that for us. The prophet Daniel [12vs2,13] looked forward to resurrected life on earth. [Acts 24v15] . Jesus was from the spirit world and returned there.
The 'many' mentioned at Daniel are the 'many' that will be part of the humble meek to inherit the earth or earthly realm of God's kingdom.
Psalm 37vs11,29. That leaves the rest [not the many] to be resurrected to heavenly life as Rev 5vs9,10 describes as those that rule with Jesus as kings and priests.

So the 'many' of Matthew 20v28 means the majority of mankind will live right here on earth starting with Jesus millennial rule over earth.
Those of Matthew 25v32 are people that are alive or living at that time.
Those placed at Jesus right hand of favor, so to speak, remain alive or continue to live right into the start of Jesus 1000-year rule over earth.
They are the ones saved alive or delivered alive of Rev 7vs14;9,10.

The happy climax of Revelation is life. Rev 22v2 in fulfillment to the promise to Abraham that all families of the earth will be blessed and all nations of the earth will be blessed.
Gen 12v3; 22vs17,18.

 

[Brother2]

Whoo hoo wonderful discussions hearabouts.

Satanists are surely followers of Lucifer the arch demon who fell from heaven taking a third of angels with him...........and making it sound that he was in right and God in the wrong.........trouble is Lucifer has also infiltrated Christianity and sowed his tares amongst the wheat..............that is why we had the Reformation.........and now Protestants have stopped protesting and want to give up and return to where they came from.........

So good to have a great Forum to express ourselves, with respect of course for others......but a lively discussion is good.

Shalom. May God bless all here. brother2.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Satanists are surely followers of Lucifer the arch demon who fell from heaven taking a third of angels with him...........and making it sound that he was in right and God in the wrong.........trouble is Lucifer has also infiltrated Christianity and sowed his tares amongst the wheat..............that is why we had the Reformation.........and now Protestants have stopped protesting and want to give up and return to where they came from.........

And how did Satan infiltrate 'Christianity' with the weeds [tares]?
According to Acts [20vs29,30] it would be through wolf-like clergy in sheep's clothing that would fleece the flock.
Matt 24v24

During the 1st century the apostles acted as a restraint against such false religious leaders. With the death of the apostles Christendom, or so-called Christianity, began to develop. 2nd Thessalsonians 2vs 3-9 shows weed or tare-like clergy would sit in the temple or House of Worship but really be anti-God.

So genuine Christianity is like the Christianity of the first century.
The rest are imitation wheat.

 

[Katzpur]

I hereby renounce the holy spirit, I deny it's existence and were I find that it did exist, I would do what I could to destroy it..
Am I, according to what the bible teaches, now barred from ever entering heaven?

Sorry, but no.

 

[Katzpur]

So in your eyes then, I am d00med? Are their no christians out there with the intestinal fortitude to come out and just say it?

Believe me, I'd have enough intestinal fortitude to come out and say it -- if I believed it. I don't even think you know what it means to commit blasphemy against the Hol Ghost, must less be in a position to do so.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

That's the consensus given by believers that rely on heavy amounts of exegesis to interpret the bible, it would seem. What the passages in question actually say is another matter.

 

[logician]

How do you know if you've commited an unforgivable sin?

Communication channels closed to the supposed god?

 

[Apollonius Zagreus]

How do you know if you've commited an unforgivable sin?

The general response to this question is that once a person commits the unforgivable sin there will be no more desire in them to turn to God, in effect such a one is thereafter given over wholly to the evil inclination.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

The general response to this question is that once a person commits the unforgivable sin there will be no more desire in them to turn to God, in effect such a one is thereafter given over wholly to the evil inclination.

Done and done.

 

[Katzpur]

The general response to this question is that once a person commits the unforgivable sin there will be no more desire in them to turn to God, in effect such a one is thereafter given over wholly to the evil inclination.

Yes, but nobody seems to agree on which sin is the "unforgivable" one or what it means to commit blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

 

[Apollonius Zagreus]

Yes, but nobody seems to agree on which sin is the "unforgivable" one or what it means to commit blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

An interesting question. The Bible gives directives that one is not to call good evil nor evil good. The general understanding in regards to the 'blasphemy of the holy spirit' owes to the idea of accusing the work of the holy spirit as pertaining to Satan, as when Jesus was accused of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub.

 

[Katzpur]

An interesting question. The Bible gives directives that one is not to call good evil nor evil good. The general understanding in regards to the 'blasphemy of the holy spirit' owes to the idea of accusing the work of the holy spirit as pertaining to Satan, as when Jesus was accused of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub.

So that's the "general understanding," huh? Well, I'll add it to my list of explanations I've heard, which gets longer every time I talk about the subject with someone new.

 

[logician]

The general response to this question is that once a person commits the unforgivable sin there will be no more desire in them to turn to God, in effect such a one is thereafter given over wholly to the evil inclination.

So in essence, you are saying atheists are evil?:help:

 

[Thesavorofpan]

I'm pretty sure that's not what AE meant. He's generally a bit more nuanced in his thoughts about Christianity.

I was just taking that at face value.